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I recently picked up a S&W U.S. GOV m1917 45 acp a very nice ww1 piece. But I need stocks I saw these stocks are they the correct ones? anybody know where to get a set??


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Their 300298 serial number is too high for a WW I 1917. Are you sure that they are not for a K frame .38?
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Those a .38 K-Frame grips from a Victory model
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Even if they were N frame, wouldn't period correct stocks for a 1917 have the concave tops?
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If your not to picky I have a pair of fake stag grips that you can have. They are for a N frame but ain't perfect. Put they are free. After Christmas sale LOL

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Even if they were N frame, wouldn't period correct stocks for a 1917 have the concave tops?
Only for serial #s 1 thru about 15000. The majority of 1917 stocks were not concave.
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"Correct" stocks for your M1917 depend somewhat upon the serial number.
The concave tops were used for a while during early production, then along came the others which were on the bulk of them.
The later ones look like the ones below....We really like pictures here!

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Here’s an example of both the early concave stocks (bottom revolver) and the later type. Click on the pictures for a closer look:



On either type the serial number will be penciled on, not stamped, as shown below. The penciled serial numbers are often very hard to see.
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OK so here is the gun I got Will the stocks I originally posted pictures of work???? Serial #36983, mfg. 1918

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Thanks Daniel but as you can see that is exactly my problem!!!!
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OK so here is the gun I got Will the stocks I originally posted pictures of work???? Serial #36983, mfg. 1918

No. The stocks you posted are for a K frame revolver; your 1917 is an N frame revolver.

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The wooden ones you posted pictures of will be about 3/16" too narrow (measured front to back along the bottom of the grip) and too short by about the same amount (measured from the top of the horn to the bottom heel of the grip frame).

The ones you have on there look like they might be period correct Franzite grips. Not factory original, but at least from the same time period. They are probably worth 25-30 bucks to someone who likes and collects the early plastic grips. Not a lot, but at least a few bucks.
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With patience the proper style will turn up for you. Look around and decide if you want vintage or new.... they are both out there. I saw both on eBay yesterday. Also saw a beautiful pair of elk stag on the board here earlier today.
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The wooden ones you posted pictures of will be about 3/16" too narrow (measured front to back along the bottom of the grip) and too short by about the same amount (measured from the top of the horn to the bottom heel of the grip frame).

The ones you have on there look like they might be period correct Franzite grips. Not factory original, but at least from the same time period. They are probably worth 25-30 bucks to someone who likes and collects the early plastic grips. Not a lot, but at least a few bucks.
These stocks he has on the gun are genuine India Sambar Stag, not Franzite plastic.

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These stocks he has on the gun are genuine India Sambar Stag, not Franzite plastic.

You really think so? What about them leads you to that conclusion? In looking at the photo I see no grain, or pores, or growth rings, or any other flaws. Nothing to indicate they are organic. They look like smooth plastic with a few tiny scratches to me.

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I think you goofed Jim. Look at the repeating regular pattern of grooves and peaks in the "stag" bark. Also there is only black and white, no smooth "stag" turning amber or shades of brown in the bark. I look at a lot of stag while collecting knives. While India stag can be mostly white and tourched black bark aging turns the smooth areas amber and gives it fine surface cracks. Repeating patterns scream man made.

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Well it's certainly not the best view to observe the pattern of bark. But from the butt end we clearly see the discoloration as the exterior bone approaches the softer marrow bone which is in the center of the antler bone.

They're not 'first cut' stag from the base where antlers meet the skull which has a lot of popcorn bark, but can be '2nd cuts'.

It's possible they're period jigged and dyed bone, but they're not Franzite plastic.

Maybe the OP will show the back of one or a photo of the bark on the sides.
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Well, you've forgotten more than I'll probably ever know Hondo44, but all I'm seeing is the play of light and shadow on the butt of the revolver in his photo.

Hopefully the OP will do us all a favor and answer the question once and for all by posting a photo of the backside of one of the grips at some point.

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Jim,

Look again at the butt of the 1917 stocks. All the grooves in the bark are the same depth and that depth is the same on both sides. Also the corners near the front strap are faded or worn to yellowish off white as much as the central area near the lanyard hole and date are. I'm still seeing plastic but I've been wrong before.

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Look again at the butt of the 1917 stocks. All the grooves in the bark are the same depth and that depth is the same on both sides. Also the corners near the front strap are faded or worn to yellowish off white as much as the central area near the lanyard hole and date are. I'm still seeing plastic but I've been wrong before.
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