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I ran across this one today.
I'm hoping to buy it, but I've never actually seen a flat latch 36 with adjustable sights before.
I was just wondering how common they were.
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There is a good summary of these in the SCSW. If you have the serial number it will tell you how many were made in the batch, but they are not common.
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There is a good summary of these in the SCSW. If you have the serial number it will tell you how many were made in the batch, but they are not common.
Is that in the 4th edition SCSW?

I don't have a SN yet, and my SCSW is the 3rd edition, which doesn't say much. All I could find is a short paragraph that says

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Chiefs Special target versions were produced marked Model 36-1and as Model 50 in random and limited production (see Model 50) from 1955-1974 and not again until 1989 as the Model 36-6 a full-underlug 3" barrel.
There seems to be more info included about the Model 50, but of course that doesn't tell me much about this gun.
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See post #11 in this thread on a highly regarded website :

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Other than the rubber I have no reason to believe that .38 is different from the way S&W shipped it but because I installed adjustable sights on a 36-? I'd like to see pictures of how the front sight is attached. I installed the rear sight with only files and a drill and tap. It looked factory. Without a milling machine the front blade is harder. If the asking price is high then it would be prudent to have it looked at critically. If nothing else it is very likely the Target Trigger was added after market. S&W did not install a lot of them in 2" J frames. Mine left me to go live on a farm in Eastern Washington. I put so much time into it that I should not have let it go.
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Other than the rubber I have no reason to believe that .38 is different from the way S&W shipped it but because I installed adjustable sights on a 36-? I'd like to see pictures of how the front sight is attached. I installed the rear sight with only files and a drill and tap. It looked factory. Without a milling machine the front blade is harder. If the asking price is high then it would be prudent to have it looked at critically. If nothing else it is very likely the Target Trigger was added after market. S&W did not install a lot of them in 2" J frames. Mine left me to go live on a farm in Eastern Washington. I put so much time into it that I should not have let it go.
If it is factory the front blade should be a forged part of the barrel, right?
How did you attach the front blade on the one you "converted"?
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That's a nice one, congrats if you can get it. The serial # will tell which batch in post #11 in the other thread, that it was part of but likely the '59 batch since it has a 3 screw side plate.

All of the Target model Chiefs Specials made in the batches prior to 1959 have the same 2nd style flat latch until ~1959 then the 3rd style flat latch until 1966, as the standard production fixed sight models.

Model 36 targets and Model 50s are the same guns.

It's thought that early Chiefs Special target models were made on already Model 36 stamped frames.

Only later were they stamped Model 50; apparently when new frames were designated to be target guns from the get go. This would make the fixed sight and target sighted Chiefs Special different model #s and be consistent with Smith K & N frame models that have different model #s based on the type of sights.

Later still, the Model #50 designation was abandoned and target models once again were stamped with the standard model designations: Model 36 or Model 60 (stainless guns).

The front sight blade is not forged integral with the barrel: it's pinned in place with 2 flush finished pins.
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Good info Hondo - as always! I was looking and only found one 2" blued gun on GB in the completed auctions and one 2" that was "chromed" (maybe nickel?) in the active auctions.

Both of them had the round style thumb piece - no flat latches in either active or completed auctions. Seems like this must be a pretty uncommon variant.

I assume they were all square-butt since that is all I seem to be seeing anywhere?
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Good info Hondo - as always! I was looking and only found one 2" blued gun on GB in the completed auctions and one 2" that was "chromed" (maybe nickel?) in the active auctions.

Both of them had the round style thumb piece - no flat latches in either active or completed auctions. Seems like this must be a pretty uncommon variant.

I assume they were all square-butt since that is all I seem to be seeing anywhere?
The # made during the flat latch period are far fewer than made after 1966. And since since those guns are the earliest made, yes they are much harder to find.

Many of the target model guns are sq butts, but rd butts are known as well.
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The # made during the flat latch period are far fewer than made after 1966. And since since those guns are the earliest made, yes they are much harder to find.

Many of the target model guns are sq butts, but rd butts are known as well.
So if this one turns out to be a round butt it might almost be rare? SWEET! Wish me luck in my quest to purchase it tomorrow.
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If it is factory the front blade should be a forged part of the barrel, right?
How did you attach the front blade on the one you "converted"?
I should have written that that is not my work. Jim is the man to ask if every thing on that gun looks original. I filed a one piece ramp and blade with a sloped slot in its bottom that pressed over the original sight then pinned it through my ramp. Long ago similar sights were sold by one of the big name companies in the after market sight business. The company's name slips my memory. My sporterized S&W Model 1917 came with one installed. That's were I got the idea. Pardon the boast but my ramp did not have even a hint of the factory blade's odd shark fin appearance.

Like the factory I used a square butt revolver. A square butt is more compatible with trying to get best accuracy. However, the huge rubber blob on that one has to go. I liked checkered Herret's on mine. I'll hunt down Herret's model name if you're interested.

If the price does not push it out of consideration snag the snub. It will be a long time before you're offered another. Firing slow I got 2" 5 shot groups at 25 yards with mine.
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I know you know to check, but a newbie might read this thread and not know:

Remove those Goodyear grips and check for rust and/or corrosion on the grip frame before laying down cold, hard cash.
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Interesting revolver. I'm sure it's jut the lighting but those barrel markings look buffed to me.
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I should have written that that is not my work. Jim is the man to ask if every thing on that gun looks original. I filed a one piece ramp and blade with a sloped slot in its bottom that pressed over the original sight then pinned it through my ramp. Long ago similar sights were sold by one of the big name companies in the after market sight business. The company's name slips my memory. My sporterized S&W Model 1917 came with one installed. That's were I got the idea. Pardon the boast but my ramp did not have even a hint of the factory blade's odd shark fin appearance.

Like the factory I used a square butt revolver. A square butt is more compatible with trying to get best accuracy. However, the huge rubber blob on that one has to go. I liked checkered Herret's on mine. I'll hunt down Herret's model name if you're interested.

If the price does not push it out of consideration snag the snub. It will be a long time before you're offered another. Firing slow I got 2" 5 shot groups at 25 yards with mine.
LOL, you know exactly where I was going with my questions. You mentioned selling your conversion to a farmer in eastern Washington - which is where I am. So immediately I started wondering if this could be the same gun! I agree, the Pachamyrs have to go toot sweet! Not only are they ugly, they are way too big and look all out of proportion on the gun.


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Remove those Goodyear grips and check for rust and/or corrosion on the grip frame before laying down cold, hard cash.
Absolutely! I have a screwdriver in my pocket for that very purpose!

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Interesting revolver. I'm sure it's jut the lighting but those barrel markings look buffed to me.
Yeah, I see what you mean, but when I you zoom in it looks like the metal is appropriately "deformed" around the roll marks to me. Not washed out like a buffed one would be.
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LOL, you know exactly where I was going with my questions. You mentioned selling your conversion to a farmer in eastern Washington - which is where I am. So immediately I started wondering if this could be the same gun! I agree, the Pachamyrs have to go toot sweet! Not only are they ugly, they are way too big and look all out of proportion on the gun.



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Yeah, I see what you mean, but when I you zoom in it looks like the metal is appropriately "deformed" around the roll marks to me.

See if your serial number is listed on our "Redux" list ... here: Chief Special Target Research & Survivors List Redux

I doubt that yours is a "conversion" to target sights. I think it's factory. On the conversions the front sight is usually pinned in place. You front sight is an integral part of the barrel.

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See if your serial number is listed on our "Redux" list ... here: Chief Special Target Research & Survivors List Redux

I doubt that yours is a "conversion" to target sights. I think it's factory. On the conversions the front sight is usually pinned in place. You front sight is an integral part of the barrel.

Contact me if you need any further advice or results of 35 years of study on this model

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Thanks Sal. Mine doesn't appear in the list, but with a SN of 1499XX it falls right into the appropriate range between two other known examples (149941 and 150000) listed in the thread linked above. I also answered your email. Thanks.
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Well I went and bought it today. Had to pay $40 for the transfer because there were only 2 places open to do one today and I didn't want to take a chance on letting it get away. I regularly pay $20 for a transfer so I figured it wasn't worth the risk of waiting just to maybe save $20 - or maybe loose out altogether.

As you can see in the (poor) cellphone photos below, the bluing has a fair amount wear, especially on the cylinder and muzzle. Not a speck or freckle of rust anywhere - including under the rubber grips. No model number either.

Mechanically it feels like a brand spanking new gun. Locks up very tight, timing is perfect. Nice bore & cylinders. Obviously carried a fair amount but not shot a lot.

Even though the finish isn't quite as good as it looked in the original pictures, I figured I couldn't go wrong for $325 + the transfer fee.
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Be cautious, conversions from regular 36-1 have been made. Here is one I have that I bought knowing it was probably a conversion and was priced accordingly.

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$325 plus transfer is a steal of a deal. You did well if you paid that ten years ago.
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Thanks for the warning. I don't think this one is a conversion. Everything about it looks righteous, including the serial number falling in between two other known genuine examples (see previous post above).
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Oh I grabbed it all right. And yeah, I'm smilin' about it.
Just can't take it to the range quite yet - gotta wait a few days for the BGC to go through...
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Congrats! Great buy. Neat piece of Chiefs history.

I'd like to have one of that vintage for a shooter. Of course, they're all shooters, aren't they?
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Great buy - Congratulations.

I'm sure that those grips will shoot well , but ugh. Maybe use them occasionally on the range...?
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Nice Revolver - but those Pachmeyer grips have to go!
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Well, I got to bring it home. Took the butt ugly rubber off - no signs of rust or other marks under them.
So I gave it a quick rub down and wipe off. Then I put the wood off my M36 3" on it for a couple of quick photos.
Not the greatest pictures in the world - I'm not much of a photographer. Fact is about half the pics I took turned out blurry and unusable. I hate how you can't really tell how they'll turn out looking at the camera's screen. I'll have to take some more later, but here are 4 of the best ones I got this go around.
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No sign of a pinned barrel even under good light and magnification?

That one is a bit uncommon with a target trigger on such an early version. But only a letter will confirm if original from the factory.
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No sign of a pinned barrel even under good light and magnification?
Nope, not that I can see - and I looked really close at both sides with a bright light.

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That one is a bit uncommon with a target trigger on such an early version. But only a letter will confirm if original from the factory.
I take it that you think this one would be worth a letter, huh? Sorry but I always look at these things from a value perspective.
I'm into it for $365. A letter would make that $465. So my two questions are:
1) What is it worth without a letter? and
2) How much value will a letter add? More than it costs?
FWIW I intend to get a set of period correct diamond magnas for it. They won't be numbers matching, but period correct is the best I'm going to be able to do at this point. Of course that means I'll have to invest a few more bucks to get a set.
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Nope, not that I can see - and I looked really close at both sides with a bright light.


I take it that you think this one would be worth a letter, huh? Sorry but I always look at these things from a value perspective.
I'm into it for $365. A letter would make that $465. So my two questions are:
1) What is it worth without a letter? and
2) How much value will a letter add? More than it costs?
Nope, just stating a fact for all readers to recognize.

1. However, even twice $465 could be considered a low price for that gun.
Although I have a few Smiths with factory letters, I have never ordered one myself. That doesn't mean I won't in the future, just depends on the condition/collectibility of the gun and how important confirmation of the gun's configuration could be.

2. Usually more than it costs, yes if it confirms something of importance. So it's relative: the value of the letter varies based on how rare the destination and/or configuration that it confirms, if it does. A spl ordered factory installed target trigger is not that big of a deal to most owners.

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Nope, just stating a fact for all readers to recognize.

1. However, even twice $465 could be considered a low price for that gun.
Wow! Really? I understood it to be a good deal on a fairly scarce revolver. But I wasn't able to find much in the way of comparable ones sold, so I didn't realize it was worth that much more than I paid. $900+ as a low price for is a really pleasant surprise! Not quite a $500 RM, but certainly one of my luckier finds. THANKS for that info!

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Although I have a few Smiths with factory letters, I have never ordered one myself. That doesn't mean I won't in the future, just depends on the condition/collectibility of the gun and how important confirmation of the gun's configuration could be.
That makes sense to me - and is pretty much in line with what I've always felt about the letters. I don't and haven't owned many that I thought might be worthy of a letter. Though I'm leaning towards thinking this one may be my first!

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2. Usually more than it costs, yes if it confirms something of importance. So it's relative: the value of the letter varies based on how rare the destination and/or configuration that it confirms, if it does. A spl ordered factory installed target trigger is not that big of a deal to most owners.

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Yes, it does. You have always been a valuable source of info, help, and advice. I really appreciate your contribution to the community, Jim. Folks like you are what makes this a special place. Thanks again!
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I like the look of those big Pachmayr Presentation grips on such a little gun. Paired with the adjustable sights, it looks fun to shoot!
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I like the look of those big Pachmayr Presentation grips on such a little gun. Paired with the adjustable sights, it looks fun to shoot!
LOL! REALLY? You're the first person who liked them - including me.

I like them on full sized guns - N-frames and K-frames. The design of the Presentations have always made me think of a rubber version of factory target stocks.

I'm sure they would shoot just fine, but they are just too big.
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Thanks Sal. Mine doesn't appear in the list, but with a SN of 1499XX it falls right into the appropriate range between two other known examples (149941 and 150000) listed in the thread linked above. I also answered your email. Thanks.
I will preface the following, so to better understand, by stating I began to collect Chief Special Target variations in 1990 or thereabout.

Take a moment to place yourself in a pre-internet world with printed data, such as books and printed advertisements from legitimate and well experienced dealers that specialized in Smith & Wesson, such as Ray Braille (RIP), and Harrison Carroll, (RIP, no relation to David Carroll) and a few others that handled these more more frequently in 1 year than any one of us might in a lifetime.

After reading Roy's book History of S&W sometime in the late 1970s / early 1980s. (later on reading Neal and Jinks History of S&W, McHenry and Roper, Rywell and the Centennial book) I became enamored with the Chief's Special Target variation in .38 Special and the Model 52A semi-auto in 38AMU.

Think of it ... really. Target sighs on a small frame 2" barrel, mid-caliber revolver ? It was so ugly it was pretty !! This big large shark fin front sight on the midget size barrel. When was the last time you watched a legitimate tournament with 2" barreled revolvers ?? It made NO sense what so ever, so, needless to say ... I HAD TO HAVE IT !!!

I lived in New York City at that time. My owners' permit (target permit only) was essentially useless for the purpose of becoming a gun collector.

It was not until I commenced my move to Florida in 1985 that I was now able to further my collecting interests.

I subscribed to several catalogs and publications for collectors. It was by sheer accident after several years of searching I found my first Chief's Special Target, 1st model, in the 55xxx range at a LGS. For years of looking and searching I'd see the J frame configuration 2" with the large front sight I was condition to believe it would be the .22 Caliber J frame that looks nearly identical from a profile view. Well, it was priced a bit too high (a few hundred too high) but I've been looking for one so long ... I didn't care about the price being a little to high, even though I thought it had been refinished, it is "the" only one I had ever seen. Well, we worked out an "out the door" deal for a little less and the deal was done. I had my FIRST, Chief's Special Target. Over the next few years I got at least 2 more from a friend and fellow member.

I did not know (then) that most of the post war S&Ws were produced with a satin finish. S&W did not revert to the premium pre-WWII polished blue finish. Prior to WWII the polished blue was the standard finish. I believe one of the only or few S&W that was not produced, early post WWII, with a satin / matte finish was the .357 Magnum ... the pride of the S&W fleet, so to speak. Years later the Highway Patrolman (Model 28 and/or pre-28) was the first if not only satin finish .357 done so only to be competitive in LEO contracts IIRC.

Months later another came along, same thing, satin finish. Several months later I found another (by SN was from the 1959 group). When it arrived it was a high gloss blue. By this time I had learned that the early CSTs were satin finish unless factory engraved or special ordered with the premium blue (glossy) finish.

Some phone calls to Ray Brazille, Joe Cebull, Ed Cornett all affirmed the 1955 versions were satin finish while the 1959 batch were glossy finish. This started to make sense and made me feel good that I had not turned down the satin finish 1955 production that I had found up to that time.

I learned that there were some 3" models produced in the later 1950s. Of those I saw, probably only 3 or 4 since then, they were all round butt while all other 2" older models were square butts.

So, 1955 CST1s were all satin finish unless factory engraved, or special ordered with the premium finish. I have never seen a special order premium finish 1955 that was not refinished to become glossy.

The 196 or so produced / shipped in 1959 are in the 149xxx-150xxx range were glossy finish.

If you merely wanted to confirm your 2" is a factory 2" target, save your money. Tne serial number and finish indicates it was among the 1959 batch. If you're curious and need to know, then send for the letter.

I don't think I asked you but does yours have MODEL 36 stamped on the frame in the flat part of the frame visible when the crane / swing arm is opened ? Some of the 1959 batch have NO indication of model number and some of the 1959 batch are stamped MODEL 36. Which is yours ?

In the early 1960s another batch showing up sporadically in and around SN 390xxx range are all premium finish. These are not flat latch guns, IIRC.

Until the 36-1 CST4s came along, the 3" target models were scarce.

The photo another member posted with the pinned front sight is a conversion. That is one of the quickest "tells" if the Chief's special was converted to target sights or not.

In the 1970s came yet another batch now with their own unique model number stamped MODEL 50.

The question amongst collectors is ... Is the Chief's Special Target without Model number designation ... a PRE-Model 50 ? Essentially a model 36 is a standard / fixed sighted Chief's Special 5 shot, 38 special.

CST1- 1955-56 1st models (no model markings) 2", Satin finish
CST2- 1959 Batch 2" (some marked MODEL 36 and some unmarked for model number) gloss finish
CST3- early to mid 1960s in the 390xxx SN range IIRC. 2" As MODEL 36.gloss finish
CST4-36-1, 3" target models limited production. Confusing as there seem to be plenty 36-1, 3" that are standard / fixed sights. Gloss finish
CST5- mid to late 1970s, 2" barrel gloss finish as MODEL 50

With the advent of the information super-highway ... the internet, over the first few years until people know what to do with it, out started coming guns that had been stashed in a closet for 50 years or more. Guns we thought there were only very few or guns that we thought no longer existed ... all of a sudden they pop up in overwhelming proportions and a variety of conditions. Just AMAZING !!!

Joe, Ed, Hondo, if any of this is open to conjecture, please post, clarify or expand. I welcome the assistance.

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WOW! This is AWESOME! I haven't started a thread that turned into this much of a treasure trove of info since I first found and asked about my "pre-24" 44 HE Model of 1950 three years or so ago!

Thank you for all the info you guys have shared about the CSTs.

To answer your question Sal, mine is not model marked, which I find really fascinating for a revolver S&W produced in 1959, a full 1-2 years after model marking became "standard".

Isn't the flat latch unusual for 1959 too? I thought I read somewhere that they went to the round latch around the same time that the model numbers came out.

Definitely an interesting variation.

Again, thanks for all the knowledge you guys are sharing. Isaac Newton said "if I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants" in reference to those who came before him and whose hard work benefited him. Likewise, you guys are the ones who researched and learned and documented all this information so that the rest of us can benefit from it. I for one really appreciate how you freely share it.
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To answer your question Sal, mine is not model marked, which I find really fascinating for a revolver S&W produced in 1959, a full 1-2 years after model marking became "standard".

Isn't the flat latch unusual for 1959 too? I thought I read somewhere that they went to the round latch around the same time that the model numbers came out.
Although the Model #s were assigned in mid 1957, there were so many guns in process that new frames with stamped model #s din't com until much later depending how how popular they were. The only model I know of that was stamped in 1957 was the Model 10, obviously the fastest selling Smith.

The flat latches were used until replaced sometime after the change order of February 11, 1966.
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Although the Model #s were assigned in mid 1957, there were so many guns in process that new frames with stamped model #s din't com until much later depending how how popular they were. The only model I know of that was stamped in 1957 was the Model 10, obviously the fastest selling Smith.

The flat latches were used until replaced sometime after the change order of February 11, 1966.
OK, so no model number isn't as much an oddity as I thought.
I would have thought that even if they already had frames made and in inventory on the shelf that they would have started model stamping them as they used them to assemble new guns.

Looks like I was about 10 years off in my recollection of when the flat latches were discontinued. Good data point to file away. Thanks for the education!
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The model # was apparently stamped on frames fairly early in the manufacturing process. They wouldn't disrupt the process to pull frames from whatever stage of production they were in to stamp the model #.

This causes many anomalies with the dash model # dash #s as well.
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You will notice, after you watch for several years, things like very low SN J-frames with Model number stamped inside the crane area.

I once purchased a Centennial SN 12xxx or there about, with an upper side plate screw, which indicates a manufacture of no newer than Jan 1956. Upon writing Roy, Roy explained the Centennials did not sell well in the early days. Many were on the shelf and shipped years later. This one shipped in 1962, so it was model stamped prior to leaving S&W in 1962.

Another was a pre-model 45 (ANIB) that I sold to another friend / member. It was in a pre bangor-punta box with hand written original end label indicating model 45. The gun was NOT Model stamped and it had the upper side plate screw. IIRC that one shipped sometime in the mid 1960s but THIS Time, it was not MODEL stamped before it left the factory.

There are a few features that seem odd in this time frame (mid 1950s to mid 1960s) that don't follow one single ... carved in stone ... rule on the model numbers (whether model number stamped or not). However, they are correct as shipped, when shipped.

The only ones I'd be careful with are some of the N-Frames ... what was it the Model 20 ?? that is extremely scarce with the model number stamped. I'd look those over carefully to be certain the model number was not added sometime after it left the factory.

Then you can read Bill Cross's entries on the Pre-model 29 and early model 29s, where the serial numbers seem way out of sequence of when they may have likely been manufactured and when they actually shipped, years later.

Bill Cross is surely the grand master guru on the early 44 Magnums and same period N-Frmes. He has likely examined and documented more pre-29s and early Model 29s than any other 6 collectors, still alive. IIRC correctly Bill has records of guns he's examined into the thousands. He has recorded many idiosyncrasies in the production variances of same.

I was lucky enough to pre-order Bill's book on the .44 Magnum. VERY impressive work. You can feel just how dedicated this man is to his favorite S&Ws. Thank you, Bill !

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Is that the same book about 44's that was discussed off and on for about a year and then finally published recently?
If so I'm gonna have to see if I can get a copy after reading an endorsement like that!
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It is. And it’s fabulous. I believe the first printing sold out so hopefully another order is at the printer!
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Just a follow up on this one that I bought back in February.

The outdoor ranges have all been shut down since the weather broke, but so today was the first chance I've had to shoot it.

I put most of a box of 158gr LSWC Ultramax through it today. I'm pleased to report that this one shoots as good as it looks. Very pleasant to shoot with standard pressure ammo.

Seems to shoot to POI as well as I am able. Sweet little gun.
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