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Sibling TLTs
I recently bought another Triple Lock Target and when I got it home found out it was one serial # from another TLT that I have! A factory letter showed that both guns were shipped to Shapleigh Hardware Co., St. Louis, MO.,Jan. 1,1918. The shipment was for 159 units. This brings up an interesting question. If there were two known TLTs in the shipment, could there have been more? Also, what were the other 157 models in that shipment. Would SWCA members check their factory letters and see if that Jan. 1, shipment to Shapleigh Hardware shows up, and what gun(s) were shipped. Pictured SN. 14285 and 14283
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Very cool ! Would be interesting to see if they both shoot similarly.
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02-17-2020, 04:44 PM
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That's pretty awesome. If I was you, I'd look into buying a lottery ticket. Pretty slim odds of guns that old being together again.
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02-17-2020, 05:18 PM
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That's an amazing pair. Albeit 2 #s apart. I've seen sequential guns before but never in almost the same pristine condition!!! A slight turn line on but not the other. And there's still one out there in between those two.
Usually one is much more worn than the other.
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Now what are the odds that one person could bring those two TL's together again 102 years later??? That's AMAZING!
Beautiful pair!!
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That's awesome, congratulations on another great find.
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I own No 14,200, also a Target Model from that same shipment.
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The old Shapleigh Hardware building still stands down on the St. Louis river front. I've often wondered if they sold retail out of that building or distributed to small stores. Pictures of then and now.
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Not pristine by any measure, but I have 14197, a 6 1/2" .44 Spl.
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Beautiful TL Targets! 
Thanks for sharing,
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Richard,
Yes, a beautiful pair! Based on other late TL sales, I have to think that being slow sellers the 159 guns sat in inventory for three years, many of them targets, and that Shapleigh Hardware got a bargain price for the order!
Have you removed the right side grips and confirmed that the penciled serial #s match the guns that they're on?
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Shapleigh must have been a busy place...
hibbs: Check out the Forum Post a couple down from yours..."Want help/info/advice on 1905 4th. target". His 1905 was also shipped to Shapleigh, in 1924.
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Richard,
Yes, a beautiful pair! Based on other late TL sales, I have to think that being slow sellers the 159 guns sat in inventory for three years, many of them targets, and that Shapleigh Hardware got a bargain price for the order!
Have you removed the right side grips and confirmed that the penciled serial #s match the guns that they're on?
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Jim, The sn. on 14285 is visible on the right grip. This gun is almost new with only light handling marks.Stiff from old grease inside. Sn.14283 was used a little and the right grip shows some unreadable pencil marks. A possible 8 or a 3.
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Jim, The sn. on 14285 is visible on the right grip. This gun is almost new with only light handling marks.Stiff from old grease inside. Sn.14283 was used a little and the right grip shows some unreadable pencil marks. A possible 8 or a 3.
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Take a photo of the serial # that you can't make out. Is that the bottom gun?
Photos enhance the pencil marks.
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The old Shapleigh Hardware building still stands down on the St. Louis river front. I've often wondered if they sold retail out of that building or distributed to small stores. Pictures of then and now.
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I don't think those are the same buildings. Note that the modern pic still says "Warehouse No. 3" on the roof structure.
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I don't think those are the same buildings. Note that the modern pic still says "Warehouse No. 3" on the roof structure.
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Also the top floor/roof is very different and the bottom floor is significantly different. If it's the same building, there's been a lot of work done.
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In/through the 1950's and 60's at least, Shapleigh was a distributor----sold at the wholesale level only.
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The old Shapleigh Hardware building still stands down on the St. Louis river front. I've often wondered if they sold retail out of that building or distributed to small stores. Pictures of then and now.
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Odd, but the artist's rendition and the actual building are almost nothing alike. In the drawing it is an 8 story building, in the modern photo it is only 5 stories. The building in the photograph lacks a lot of the architectural flourishes of the old drawing too. No marble on the first story, no overhanging cornices on the top floor, no decorative ledges running along the walls below the windows. Are you sure that drawing is supposed to be the building in the photo? If so then the builders really cut back on the budget and built something a lot plainer and smaller than the original concept.
OOPS! I see I'm late to the party. Others have pretty much made the same observations while I was otherwise occupied. 
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