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Old 03-27-2020, 09:06 AM
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Hello guys. Happy I found this forum. Have a few questions for your experts. 1. While looking at a pre model 10, I noticed something written in Spanish "marcas registradas"... why. We had S&W's made in Spain? If they weren't made in Spain why would we write something in Spanish on them then?
2. Buddy has a a K frame? 5 screw pre model 10 and wants to change the grips, how do I know which grips will fit? Will these grips fit here?

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Any K frame or L frame grips should fit a pre model numbered K frame. There may be some minor variations from one gun to another, but nothing major. Round butt and square butt is the only real difference as to fit. You should know that earlier model grips usually have a uncheckered diamond area around the screw. In decent shape these have some value.

The grips in that auction are for an N frame and would be to large for a K frame. But, if you read the rules links to auctions that are still running is a no no

There have been various Spanish companies who made copies of S&W revolvers. Real S&W have never been made in Spain. I think the "marcas registradas" was some kind of attempt to stop this and started in 1948.

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2. Buddy has a a K frame? 5 screw pre model 10 and wants to change the grips, how do I know which grips will fit? Will Mod 1917 grips fit a "pre model 10"?

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No, the auction you pointed to are for a 1917 model which is a larger frame than the pre 10(M&P). Depending on the age of the M&P will determine what grips would be proper.
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Ah I see. Thanks for the intel thus far
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The copyright in Spanish was aimed at Spanish companies making copies of S&W guns. They couldn't claim in court they couldn't read the warning.

Providing the serial will help forum members provide info. The copyright imprnt appears in 1948 and the model numbers appear in 1958. I assume yours was made during that period. The serial will likely start with the letter C prefix. The C was used 1948 to 1967. Started with C1 and ended with C999999 and then they went with D1.

The frame on your revolver is K size. N is bigger and J is smaller. Prior to being designated the Model 10 your gun was a called the "Military & Police Model." Two basic frame types were square butt and round butt. Common barrel lengths were 2,4,5,6 inches.

Below are photos of a 2" Model 10-5 made in 1969 showing the square butt "Magna" style stocks. These are the 1949 to 1967 style. Note the diamond around the screw. Bottom is a 1949 Military & Police Model with a 2" barrel and a round butt. Again note the diamond style Magna stocks. Whichever butt your gun has these would be the correct stocks. If you don't care if the stocks are the correct type any K frame stocks of the correct butt shape will fit.



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Here's the S&W in question. Can this take the older service grips by chance?


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Any K-frame square butt grips of any age should fit it. Those on it would be characteristic of the post-WWII period, up to about 1952-53. They could be original to the gun. You can tell by seeing if the SN stamped on the back side of the right grip panel matches that on the butt of the gun.
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"Here's the S&W in question. Can this take the older service grips by chance?"

Yes, the smaller square butt service grips will fit, but probably not perfectly. The grips were fitted to individual frames.

I have found that it is easier to shoot with the Magna grips as they are a bit larger.
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Can't imagine wanting the punishing Service style. Too bad somebody ruined the front sight on your revolver. Bet it shoots way high.
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It might be that the picture is cropped in such a way that it makes the front sight look shaved.
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It might be that the picture is cropped in such a way that it makes the front sight look shaved.
I think so.The bbl. also looks cropped.
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Can't imagine wanting the punishing Service style. Too bad somebody ruined the front sight on your revolver. Bet it shoots way high.
Picture has been cropped.
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I don't think the grips pictured in the first posting are from S&W. Appear to be some type of replica (and a not very good one) of the 1920s decade S&W grips. I have to ask - why does he want to change out what are very likely to be the original factory grips?

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Can't imagine wanting the punishing Service style. Too bad somebody ruined the front sight on your revolver. Bet it shoots way high.
The sights all there, it was just chopped by the photo limits And they're shooting the really low recoiling wad cutters in it so it's not bad.
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I don't think the grips pictured in the first posting are from S&W. Appear to be some type of replica (and a not very good one) of the 1920s decade S&W grips. I have to ask - why does he want to change out what are very likely to be the original factory grips?
He just likes the other grips I guess.

Here's a photo of the grips off. Will the grips like the above post from Target Guy fit? Thanks again for all your help guys.

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The grips shown in #13 (round convex top without medallion) were used by S&W during the decade of the 1920s, and would fit any K-frame revolver (older or newer). But there may be some fitting required. Dimensional precision of grip manufacture was not so good back then, and many of them required minor hand-fitting to the frame at the factory. That is why the grips were serial numbered to the gun. My favorite tool for hand-fitting grips is a ladies' fingernail emery board.

From what I see in the picture, it appears that the grip is SN stamped as 777xx. That would indicate a C-series SN (C777xx) and that would date the gun to 1950 if the grips are original.

If your friend does change the grips, be sure to tell him to keep the originals and not throw or give them away. Original grips on a gun always add value.

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Still trying to find out the date on that revolver.
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DWalt just told you 1950.

I see I misread the photo and sight is intact.

Again, yes, the ugly and uncomfortable old Service stocks will fit. Any square butt K frame stocks will fit. But why anyone would want to put on Service stocks is beyond me.
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Those are numbers stamped into some grips, and I don't know if they're stock to that revolver yet.
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Ok, they said the serial number was 58674. Is that right? That's the whole number?
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The SN should have a C prefix - that is an essential part of it. The most prominent SN location is on the grip frame at the butt, but it will also be stamped on the rear face of the cylinder and also on a flat on the bottom of the barrel. I have a feeling the number you provided may be an assembly number, not the serial number. So what location did it come from?
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The SN should have a C prefix - that is an essential part of it. The most prominent SN location is on the grip frame at the butt, but it will also be stamped on the rear face of the cylinder and also on a flat on the bottom of the barrel. I have a feeling the number you provided may be an assembly number, not the serial number. So what location did it come from?
Ok, this number came from under the crane or arm that the cylinder swings out on. Is that it?
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Ok, this number came from under the crane or arm that the cylinder swings out on. Is that it?
No. The number you are referring to on the yoke is a factory assembly number. Once the gun is fully assembled and ready to leave the factory, that number is no longer meaningful. As has been stated, the serial number of the gun should be on the bottom of the grip frame, rear of the cylinder, and the barrel flat right above the ejector rod.

If the serial number is C77xxx, then 1950 is a pretty good guess, as DWalt has stated.
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