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Old 03-30-2020, 06:51 PM
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There's a pawn shop near me that is going out of business soon, owners retiring. Hasn't been buying or pawning anything for the last month, but he is selling his stock. Went in the other day and it was looking pretty well picked over, not much left but some single shot shotguns, a few plastic pistols, and what was this?

A Pre-War M&P .38 Special with post war grips, priced at $400.....

There was a feeding frenzy going on with people buying up all the ammo the guy had, partial boxes of 30/30 ammo going for $20. So, I went by today with some 7.62 X 39 ammo I had hoped to get $300 for, and wound up walking out with the revolver and $50 bucks in my pocket. Guy was glad to see that ammo, I'm sure he'll make twice selling that ammo than what he was asking for the revolver.

It is a 314,000 serial number range revolver, 5" barrel, blued, I think original finish and locks up like a new one! Took it home and round close to 100 rounds through it, couldn't get enough. Sights dead on, I was slaying 6" steel plates at 15 yards. This old gal still runs!







Anyone have an idea when 314,000 serial number might have been produced?

I will be keeping the post war grips on the revolver for shooting, but if I find a pair of original grips for a reasonable rate I'll pick them up to keep with the gun.

Now to find a nice holster.....
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Old 03-30-2020, 06:55 PM
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1919-20 shipment. Can't be more precise, but nearby SNs are found on my list for both years. Heat treating began at SN 316648 in 9/19, so yours was made prior to that.

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Old 03-30-2020, 07:06 PM
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Dwalt,

Thanks for the quick response, so this revolver is probably over 100 years old....

I figured it would probably appreciate a diet of mild ammo, I was shooting a hand load today of a 158 grain cast lead bullet with a mild load of Trail Boss powder, probably going 750 FPS or so. That will be hot enough for me.
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Old 03-30-2020, 07:12 PM
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Gorgeous gun. I’d much rather have that M&P than any of the plastic fantastic “M&P” guns they make today!!
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Old 03-30-2020, 08:51 PM
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I reckon that piece will handle pretty much any store bought ammunition you feed it----heat treated or no.

This from a March 1, 1934 letter from D. B. Wesson to a persnickety customer---probably one of those pesky engineer types. Now I know the 1934 steel S&W was using isn't necessarily the same as that being used in the early 20's, but not being one of those pesky engineer types I figure it's close enough.

To put this in proper context, this customer is buying a pair of Outdoorsman----one .22 and one .38/44----"with light trigger pulls to match"; and he's asking about the heat treatment of the cylinder of the .22. (There isn't any---and D.B. notes that while they do treat the cylinder for the .38/44, it isn't necessary.

To wit: "The steel that is used in the cylinder of the K-22 is identical in formula with that used in the larger calibers, but it is not heat treated after machining as the great thickness of the cylinder walls do not demand any further strengthening. As a matter of fact, even in our larger calibers the steel as it comes from the mill shows a tensile strength in the neighborhood of 80,000 lbs., which does not make the additional strength gained by treating a necessity, but we do very much prefer the greatly increased factor of safety that is obtained with the 130,000 lbs. elastic limit that the treating gives."

For those of you who may not be familiar with the .38/44 Outdoorsman of the 30's, it was the Magnum of the day. As a matter of fact, following the introduction of the 357 Magnum in 1935, more than a few of the Outdoorsman revolvers were adapted for the Magnum ammunition by the rather simple task of lengthening the chambers by 1/10".

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Old 03-30-2020, 09:14 PM
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Very nice! Now search for the correct grips. Part of the fun.
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Old 03-30-2020, 09:21 PM
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I will be keeping the post war grips on the revolver for shooting, but if I find a pair of original grips for a reasonable rate I'll pick them up to keep with the gun.
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With that serial, you should be good with either 1910s deep-medallion or 1920s non-medallion round-top stocks. It falls into the transition time, although it most likely shipped with the medallion stocks.
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Great trade! I too have a 100+ year old M.1905 in 5" - what a sweet shooter.

Very happy for you.
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5" M&Ps are pretty nice...



The way the pins are flattened on the OP's example leads me to believe it's been refinished.
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Canoeguy,
You scored a really nice vintage S&W revolver. Looks like it shoots well too. Hope you keep enjoying it with the loads you are using in it now. Accuracy is good and it must be fun to shoot. I would enjoy it and make it a keeper.
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"The way the pins are flattened on the OP's example leads me to believe it's been refinished. "

Good eye. The one above the trigger is quite flat. The side plate seam sure is tight though.

I'd still call it a great trade. New ammo is made every day.
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5" M&Ps are pretty nice...



The way the pins are flattened on the OP's example leads me to believe it's been refinished.
I bet that gun feels wonderful in the hand.
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s/n 3166xx shipped 9/19.

s/n 3074xx shipped 7/19.

Looks like you have a nice one. You will love how it shoots.
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I bet that gun feels wonderful in the hand.
Yeah, some may cringe at the non-period-correct T-Grip (though it is older) but its color matches the medallions/escutcheons and it makes it really comfy to shoot. My girls prefer the K-38 & 14-4 because of the extra mass, but this ol' M&P does get shot from time to time.
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That was a very decent deal you made there. That is a nice old gun. Enjoy.
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You were wanting $300 for the 7.62x39 ammo. How many rounds, and what did you have invested in it? Inquiring minds want to know, especially ones that are sitting on a couple of thousand rounds of the same.
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Old 04-01-2020, 08:25 PM
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Sistema,

I had 30 boxes (600 rounds) of PPU Soft Point Round Nose 7.62 X 39 I had paid $10 a box for, hoped to get that in the Post Apocalyptic Corona Virus World. Hoped to get $300, wound up getting the revolver plus $50. I feel certain the pawn shop dude anticipated he would get $20 a box the next day, I will go by and see what he wound up getting for it.

Went by several pawn and gun shops the same day I made trade and there was no .223 or 7.62 X 39 to be had......
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Wonder what I could get for my .30 Carbine, 8mm Mauser, and .303 British.
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It's always good to trade consumables for something solid like that old Smith. Ya did real good on that one.

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