I have a 1905 4th model and it has correct pat numbers on top of barrel, marked Smith and Wesson on barrel correct cal. markings, serial Numbers matching on Barrel flat, butt and back of cylinder. There is no logo on the frame, and no made in U.S.A. the revolver dates to 1917-1918. Is this a real Smith or a Spanish knock off?

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It appears to be a nice, correct in all details .38 M & P from the serial number range with no frame logo. Enjoy!

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Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220

Yep. It is the genuine article. It is a .38 Military & Police square butt revolver from about 1919 or early 1920.

There was a period from WWI until the early 1920s when the monogram was not stamped on the frame. This is a pretty nice example from that period.

The stocks are almost certainly original and this gun comes from the time when the dished medallions were about to be eliminated. Walnut stocks on revolvers produced in the 1920s had no medallion. Remove them and look on the inside of the right side panel. You will probably find the gun's serial number written there with a pencil.

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Jack
SWCA #2475, SWHF #318

Indeed. A 336-thousand range gun puts it in 1920, I believe, and seems quite late for a no-logo gun, but not out of bounds. And there is no doubt that this is a genuine S&W.

… looks mighty, mighty good.
- D.P.

According to others on my list, that SN would place its probable shipment around April-May 1920. Frame logo stamps re-started a little later in 1920, but I can't say exactly when. I do list SN 3608xx (shipped 12/20) as having a logo stamp. Check the back side of the right grip panel to see if a SN can be seen. At that time, they may have been using up the deep dish medallion grips remaining in inventory. BTW, at that time, S&W had stopped using the Model of 1905 nomenclature. It's just a M&P.

That is really nice old .38 M&P 1905 4th change! The finish looks original and in fine condition. From the heavy line around the cylinder It may have been shot quite a bit or simply cocked many times over the years. It being 100 years old its possibly just normal wear-and it was definately always well cared for. I would be proud to own it, care for it, and shoot it myself so I hope the orignal poster does the same with it. Enjoy

Beautiful condition for it's age, but the turn line has a unusual marking.

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

Good eye Mr Richard.
I breezed past that.

Those are fantastic pictures, clear and well lit. Nice revolver.

Beautiful condition period, and yes especially for its age. Good eye! The cyl stop tracking pattern is certainly a strange one I've not seen before. It may still be making the double stop track, after a certain amount of wear on the cyl stop bolt the contact-to-cyl point, i.e., 'footprint' either moved forward or backward, or enlarged to make a double track part way around the distance between notches. Can't tell which track the stop is currently making, maybe both.

If not still making both tracks, perhaps the stop bolt was changed at some point in the revolver's life, but I don't think so. I think it's more likely that the cyl stop bolt has a sloppy surface. Occasionally stop bolts will have coarse file marks on the surface from the factory that cause an excessive or odd track on the cyl surface. But why the forward angled track suddenly stops half way between the cyl notches is puzzling. Normally weird wear like that between two contacting parts would be caused by a wavy surface (slightly out of round cyl in this case, but between every notch? I don't think so).

Whatever it is, I can't tell from just the photo. However, that's the reason I will true up and polish the cyl stop bolt surface on every revolver I ever acquire, whether new or used!

Still, it's a beautiful revolver!

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Jim
S&WCA #819