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Old 05-22-2020, 01:37 PM
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So got bored last night and decided to do some research on my recently acquired 5Ē Nickel 38/44 HD.
Serial number 353xx
Based upon my research they start out at 35037 in 1930. That should put my HD at 1930 first year and within 350 or so of the first one.

So anyone have one that is older?

Sorry I though you werenít supposed to give the full number
I have 35368
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If you ask that question, you should at least reveal the entire serial number.
I have 35221, April of '30.
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My lettered to August, 1931......
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1Aspenhill probably has 30 or 40 older than yours. Think he has about 4,000 total.
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On my list (not mine), I show HD 35078 as shipping on 4/15/1930. Posted and pictured here back in 2016.

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The one on the right is a November 25th 1930 gun. The left is a 1956er.
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Roy Jinks says mine is 1931

S&W .38-44 HD

SN 37058

So yours is older. Gonna have a 90th birthday party for it?
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Since Art doc invoked my name, here goes: There are 50 older than the first nickel 5" I have in my database which is 35368. Also a lot of people forget that in this serial number range for N frames include 3d Model 44, 2d Model 44, so you can't say that the difference between the first HD and yours is a number because you can't take into it that there are 44 cal models being made at the same time. As time went on you have to add in the Reg Mag to the serial number range. So if you want to PM your serial number or announce it on here, I will see if I have it and any info on it.
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PS Art Doc, I don't have 4000 serial numbers but around 2000 which is about 18% of all pre war HDs.
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No, you don't have the oldest HD on the forum. My HD 35527 was a first month gun so you see, you can't go by serial numbers. Guns were placed in the vault and they pulled what they needed and when they replenished, they put them on the stack so your gun with a lower serial number could have languished on the bottom of the stack before it was shipped.
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The knowledge on this forum is amazing.
I posted the full serial.

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Grimjaws,
If you reread my post you will see that your serial number is the first one I have in my database that is nickel. I can do some research and see who got some in the first month in nickel. Those I may know but don't have the serial numbers. I used to own TONOWANDA PD #14.
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Would you have a ship date?
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...just gotta dig these 38-44 threads. Thank you for sharing the pictures and information. I find 38-44 loads in my 357 Magnums to be most accurate and enough power for my aging hands. I still have to add a S&W 38-44 HD 5” to my modest collection if only I can find one from a reputable source.
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The first nickel HD shipped was 35386 in Apr 1930. Tonowanda PD guns were shipped in June 1930. So you can't go in serial number order to find a guns age-the ship date is what determines age for the most part.
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The first nickel HD shipped was 35386...

Bill, I think the last two digits of that serial were reversed based on what I read above. If not, please straighten me out on what I don't understand.

If you do change the number, I'll come back and erase the content in this reply.
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No the serial number is correct, 35386 was the first nickel HD shipped. I'm looking at it in an email Roy did way back in 2005.
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Ah, now I see -- I'm guilty of the very mistake you were cautioning against. Nickel HD 35368 (the subject of this thread) has a lower serial number than nickel HD 35386, but the gun with the higher number is recorded as the first nickel HD to have shipped.

Clear now. Thank you.
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Since mine 35368 is Nickel but not the first recorded as shipped I am guessing it still has some value. Based upon previous posts it looks like Tonawanda PD got this in June maybe.

I grew up in Tonawanda and was born in June so to think this was given to the PD in my birth month (not year) and my home town makes it even more special.

I am curious what this is worth. It is 95% easy. Some freckles but no rust - some flaking under the grips. Grips are not numbered to the gun however. The rifling is crisp and looks like its never been fired but I know it has. I cleaned off the powder burn rings and the cylinder looks great.

I am not sure I would want to shoot this. But I do want to insure it.

I got this excellent example of a 38/44 for $550 total from a closing LGS who I believe did not know what they had. It was surrounded by plastic pistols and stood out so I took a look and realized what I had.
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Your gun left the factory with service grips and your HD can handle.38 Spl +P even today.
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Better pictures would be nice. Would like to see hi res in focus shots. The one pic we have looks like itís refinished. Made in USA is worn, hammer and trigger look plated.


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A heck of a price @ $550. Very nice. My earliest is 1931 (SN 37281).
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The lettering is sharp on top of the barrel and sides
The serial number stamped inside behind the ejector rod is crisp
I doubt this was refinished. It shows some freckling and some flaking under the grip. I only have my phone for pictures but here are four more. Plus it was noted in an earlier post this was Nickel from the factory. Itís hard to see in photos but the hammer and trigger are not Nickel just really faded.
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Is it stamped N for nickel anywhere on the gun? I haven't seen it mentioned.
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