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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Old 06-14-2020, 03:08 PM
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Iíve been going back to school to work on a history degree.

For most of us who are serious firearms collectors we are already amateur historians; Iím just trying to make my contributions a little more polished by learning from the pros!

Iím trying to put together a definitive monograph on New York City Police Department Trophy Guns.

I know some of the folks here have a Trophy Gun or two in their collection.

Known Trophy Guns:
Mayorís Trophy
Police Commissioners Trophy
Chief Inspectors Trophy
Hiram C. Bloomingdale Trophy
Harold M. Gall Trophy
Harry Hershfield Trophy
George Kelrick Trophy
Frank J. Keeler Trophy
Edwin R. Masback (sometimes spelled Masbeck) Trophy
SPRING 3100 Trophy
Citizens Trophy

Iím asking that if you have one, you send me the best images you have on it as well as any data you may have such as factory letters, newspaper clippings. etc.

If youíre a dinosaur who actually received a Trophy Gun when you graduated from NYPD PA (looking at you Wellfleet MA!), Iíd like to ask you a bunch of questions.

Iíd be using it in my finished thesis project and would credit it as appropriate or anonymously if you prefer. Ultimately, if I ever finish my book, it'd be a chapter in that.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Good luck with your project.
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I know that it is not exactly what you're looking for, but the closest that I have is one that was awarded by the Police Department County of Nassau in 1972... Here are a few photos:







Here's a link to a thread on this one, Well-Carried Chiefs Special - Interesting Engraving

One of the members of the forum did some research and found that this "...Chief [special] was won by the late Wayne Billian. He was a Nassau County PD cop assigned to the Ambulance Bureau (still in existence!). He remained in the Bureau even after it was civilian. He passed away from cancer quite a while ago. He was hired on 5/05/1972, Shield #108, Serial #5375. Serial number means he was the 5,374th. cop hired by PDNC and he retired on 4/07/1999."
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Not all trophy NYC PD guns were new S&W revolvers
I remember one which was a USED .32 Colt Pocket Positive.
It is now in the possession of a NYC PD official, ( gifted to him by the original trophy holder, a retired NYC PD Captain )
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Based on what I've seen so far (and that's a serious caveat; who knows what else is lurking out there) all the Trophy Guns were new out of Equipment Bureau inventory, even during WW@ and Korea.

It makes sense that Trophy Guns would be new, if for no ther reason, than when they were presented, they were presented in the box. The vast majority of presentation photos I've seen show the guns in open boxes serial numbered to the gun.

I did ask why property clerk guns weren't 'recycled' into the police department arms inventory. The response was that because there was no way of telling what abuse had been heaped on the thing before it came into police hands. They didn't want to 'convert' a gun from evidence to inventory and then have it blow up on the second shot because the previous owner was loading super max handloads for 10 years in it.

Some guns were 'converted" but that was only in emergencies (M1 carbines during the 1960's riots) and some special handguns that went to undercover people who needed non-police type guns to establish their cover (think gold plated Desert Eagles).

While I don't discount the possibility of a used gun winding up a Trophy Gun, I haven't seen any documents yet to support that.

I suspect that, as is the case in really old guns, the oral history may have been mixed up a bit as it was handed down.

Still, stranger things have happened on 'Da Job.

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Not all trophy NYC PD guns were new S&W revolvers
I remember one which was a USED .32 Colt Pocket Positive.
It is now in the possession of a NYC PD official, ( gifted to him by the original trophy holder, a retired NYC PD Captain )
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I am obliged to not reveal the names of the retired NYC PD Captain ( now about 90 years old), nor the gentleman who now has possession of the .32 Pocket Positive. Know both gentlemen for many, many years. The retired Captain since shortly after he joined the department up to the present. We are still friends and correspond on the computer and on the long distance telephone..he in NY and me in Florida. The other much younger gentleman is currently an official in the NYC PD.
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