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I FRAMES OR NOT?
Ok, some screw up using the I phone to do this. Photo isnt the best but here it is any way. Here we find an I frame from 1927. All original and matching, including the stocks which are flawless. This one is in the .38 special, and tight as new through out. I am not a collector but this one seems to be 97%+ in my book. Anyway, she shoots good, but I am of the opinion only lead should be used. Wadcutters at that.
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We just love photos of I frames! If you can e-mail them to me, maybe I can post them for you. Send me a PM if you would like me to.
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Here's one.
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Here is an I frame!
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photo up date
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Here we find an I frame from 1927...
This one is in the .38 special...
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Lovely gun, but it can’t be an I frame chambered in .38 S&W Special. It sure looks like a .38 Special M&P revolver to me, which is a K frame.
The largest caliber offered in the I frame was .38 S&W. The frame window was too short and didn’t accommodate a cylinder long enough to handle the .38 S&W Special cartridge. That’s why S&W introduced the J frame in 1950.
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Originally Posted by J. R. WEEMS
... Here we find an I frame from 1927. All original and matching, including the stocks which are flawless. This one is in the .38 special, and tight as new through out. I am not a collector but this one seems to be 97%+ in my book...
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Great looking revolver! I was not aware the I frame was available in 38 S&W Special? I was given to believe the reason for the J frame was to build a revolver with a longer cylinder to accept the longer cartridge.
Obviously, s&wchad types faster than I type. Here is my old 32 Hand Ejector on the I frame.
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I’m going to go with K frame as well. It appears to have a six shot cylinder, which for a 38 of any sort would also require the mid size or larger frame. Those standard ( sometimes called “pencil”) barrels along with the pre-War service grips will fool the eye and make the old M&P examples from the twenties seem smaller than they are.
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One of my little cuties. .32 Long snubby.
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Great looking revolver! I was not aware the I frame was available in 38 S&W Special? I was given to believe the reason for the J frame was to build a revolver with a longer cylinder to accept the longer cartridge.
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Correct. If it's I it's.38 S&W. Looks like a K frame to me too.
Maybe J.R. will post more pics.
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Correct. If it's I it's.38 S&W. Looks like a K frame to me too.
Maybe J.R. will post more pics.
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Measured it against a K frame and it is some what smaller.?? I have entertained thoughts of honing it out to .38 S&W but cant bring myself to do it. So, we are saying it isnt a I frame?? Hmmm
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Measured it against a K frame and it is some what smaller.?? I have entertained thoughts of honing it out to .38 S&W but cant bring myself to do it. So, we are saying it isnt a I frame?? Hmmm
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On I frames the cylinder is too short to accept Specials.
Is it 5 or 6 shots ?(I frame 38's are 5 shooters). Hmm.
Can you post more (and bigger) pics?
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Were you measuring it against a Model 10 or a K frame 357 magnum? The magnum K frames are slightly beefier.
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I vs. K
Quickie comparison. Note the cylinder windows.
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38 & 32
My i frames i have shown before.
Both have the leaf mainspring, both 1950 i believe.
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comparison
I measured against my MDL 14? Need to fire up a better camera.
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... Cyliinder is longer, barrel is 6 inch, but while somewhat beefer that the I frame it most certainly isnt what I would call a K frame. Serial number is: 56193 O -- strange, the O doesnt seem to be in the same form as the numbers, note the space after the 3,??
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Wouldn’t life for everybody be so much easier if S&W had done like Colt and actually put the name of the model on the barrel of their DA revolvers?
I see indeed nothing but a nice 1920s M&P in your photo, all correct with stocks, logo, and 1927 at the latest due to the ejector rod knob. And yes, it is as K-frame as K-frames get
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Wouldn’t life for everybody be so much easier if S&W had done like Colt and actually put the name of the model on the barrel of their DA revolvers?
I see indeed nothing but a nice 1920s M&P in your photo, all correct with stocks, logo, and 1927 at the latest due to the ejector rod knob. And yes, it is as K-frame as K-frames get
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Just cant help but wonder why it seems so dainty next to my MDL 14?? Or even my K22.
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The barrel rib and adjustable sights add bulk to the 14 and 17.
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The barrel rib and adjustable sights add bulk to the 14 and 17.
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Yep, early K frames are fairly "dainty" compared to postwar K's
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I'm pretty sure I own the only true I frame .38 Special. I acquired a bubbu'd Terrier several years ago. I fitted it with an early Chief's Special barrel and a machined Model 36 cylinder to fit in the cylinder window. It will shoot all but the longest of .38 Special rounds. It's the one in the middle between an early Chief's and a standard Terrier.
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The one on the left is a .32, 6 shot. The one on the right is a .38 S&W, a five shot. How do we know?
Notice the flute locations on the 6 shot relative to the cyl notches and compare them with the .38 5 shot on the right.
So since the OP's gun is a .38 and has flute locations like the .32, we know it's a six shot and therefore can't be an I frame.
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Is that the serial # on the butt of the grip frame?
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On I frames the cylinder is too short to accept Specials.
Is it 5 or 6 shots ?(I frame 38's are 5 shooters). Hmm.
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It is a 6 shot. the bolt cuts are over the chambers.
Edit. And yes it is a k frame on that picture.
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Serial number is: 56193 O -- strange, the O doesnt seem to be in the same form as the numbers, note the space after the 3,??
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That is not the serial number. It will be on the butt, back of cyl, and bottom of barrel.
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I'm pretty sure I own the only true I frame .38 Special. I acquired a bubbu'd Terrier several years ago. I fitted it with an early Chief's Special barrel and a machined Model 36 cylinder to fit in the cylinder window. It will shoot all but the longest of .38 Special rounds. It's the one in the middle between an early Chief's and a standard Terrier.
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That's very cool. I love the idea of the Terrier but am put off by the unusual bullet size. Being able to use even just WC .38spl would be a big upgrade over a standard Terrier for me. I'd love some details of the machining. I imagine you had to take the material off the front of the cylinder, what did you do about the ejector assembly?
I imagine you had to cut the back of the barrel down as well?
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack there.
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This is my little cutie I picked up last month. I've been looking
for a nice original .32 Hand Ejector 1st. Model of 1896 for 3
years or so. I wanted a blue finish as nickel was very common.
The timing and lockup are solid. The side plate screws look
unturned which I wanted. The barrel has good lands and
groves, but did has some light spots of corrosion which I mostly
cleaned out using Big 45 metal cleaner.
All I have to do now is find some decently priced S&W .32 Long
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