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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Old 06-26-2020, 10:58 PM
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Okay, I have another interesting gun that has come through my hands and wish to discuss.

No model number on the gun. Only build numbers behind the crane.

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Serial number on the bottom of the frame is 21XX. No letters or other digits even though the existing stampings are clear. I have tried to look for a letter which might explain this, but found none. Any suggestions would be welcome.

5 inch barrel.

Sights are fixed with thin front blade

No swivel or lanyard. No holes for one.

4 screws in the side plate of this frame - no screw in front of the trigger guard.

The S&W stamp is faint. The blue is very deep - except for where most people would term holster wear would be expected on the barrel and cylinder.
The barrel markings are still deep and easily read. Same with serial number. The caliber is not listed, but it is .38 Special. There are personal marks made with an electric pencil which are unfortunate, but they are what they are. They are covered by yellow paper.

The stocks are staghorn. I would suspect these were replacement?

Hoping to learn the date of shipping from S&W and any interesting info.

Thanks!
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This is the first model. It is M-1899, no lug under the bbl. next model was the 1902, had a lug under the bbl.
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The serial number and configuration indicate it may be a 1st Model 1899. Your tape obscures some features that may confirm that. It seems to be missing the ejector rod knob which is typical for this model. It would probably be a first year gun with that serial number.
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4 screws in the side plate of this frame - no screw in front of the trigger guard.
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Some of us jokingly refer to these as a "pre-five-screw-four-screw." It wasn't until 1905 that the cylinder stop was redesigned, thus adding the fifth screw in the front of the trigger guard. So, the Model of 1899 (like yours) and the early Model of 1902 (AKA Second Model) have only four frame screws.

Here is a .32-20 Target Model, serial number 8037, that shipped on March 15, 1904. It has only four frame screws.
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Nice snag!
Here's my plain sight model 1899, a little earlier than yours (s/n 1215- shipped Apr. 1900) Your's probably came with hard rubber grips.

Replacement ejector knobs and screws are available. PM me and I'll send you his email address- he goes by ruffkat on GB.

Mine shoots best with hollow-back wadcutters. Black Hills makes them.

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Another wealth of information! And great photos of interesting guns!

This is a gun that I am holding in trust for the family for a while. I wanted to learn about it and maintain it. This gun was shot a lot and carried for many years by family members. While the stocks will need to stay, I will seek out an ejector knob.

Thanks for all of the help!

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Just so there is no confusion, the stocks on my .32-20 in post #4 above are newer than the gun. The walnut stocks with the dished gold medallions weren't available until c. 1910. The letter says this gun shipped from the factory with hard black rubber stocks.

Incidentally, some think those early black stocks were plastic. They were not.
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You're talking about my most recent purchase, (the nickel one). Mod of 1899, 1st Model M&P. Your s/n would make it an early one, probably 1899-1900.

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So many good looking guns! The one that I am showing is not in such great condition. It functions very well, but the years of use have shown up on the finish.
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Just a sidebar: both K & N frames started out as 4 screw, pre 5 screw models. The I frame didn't have a trigger guard screw either in the beginning, but its was still a 5 screw; all 5 on the right side of the frame.
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