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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Just love these Older N Frame threads and the effort sharing the pics is appreciated. I will be saving up for AWhile for a Triplelock down the
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Holy Cow...I only know of one other guy that used 4F in the main charge for his rifle. Later he said "That 4F is great, it even re-cocks my rifle for me." I've heard somebody say that it was used as a main charge for gallery loads but way to hot for my taste, a little bit goes a long way. I've tried Swiss Null-B priming powder and found it to be the cleanest but no worth the extra price. For all my flintlocks I use Goex 4F, a little dirtier but just as reliable. We've experimented with just about everything over the years and the one thing that rings true is that nothing is scared nor chiseled in stone.
I wouldn't use the # 1 in .45-70 either. For that I have used 3F. But I only loaded .45-70 with blackpowder to see how it was like. My .45-70 is a Winchester/Miroku 1886 Extra Light.
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The "Cap and Ball" guy on youtube recommends using a 22LR case to measure out a charge of Swiss #1 for use in the Pedersoli-Remington 1858 revolver.
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The "Cap and Ball" guy on youtube recommends using a 22LR case to measure out a charge of Swiss #1 for use in the Pedersoli-Remington 1858 revolver.
That will be around 11 grs. In my opinion it's to slow for free hand shooting. But he was shooting benched if I remember. He is mostly a rifle shooter. In M.L.A.I.C. competition I mean.

Edit. He was present in some events I also went. But we never crossed paths, me being an handgun shooter.
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The load I worked up for my Ruger Old Armys (another disease) is 28grs of Old Eynesford 3F under 10grs of Cream O Wheat with a grease soaked felt wad and a .457 ball, I learned years ago that multiple discharges are not caused by flame getting past a seated ball, the result from something interfering with the seated cap and cylinder to frame space. I don't have to use a .457 and have got by with .451 and .454...I like to kid myself into the fact that a tighter ball produces a tighter group. I still like to grease the cylinders in order to keep the fouling softer, they clean up better. I now guys that throw their stainless Rugers in the dishwasher. I don't own a stainless handgun at the moment, I passed on a nice 624-3 the other day I could have picked up from the same guy that sold me my L.H. 24-3, too shiney for my taste.
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1- 28 grs is a good field load. It is also accurate.

2 - A tight ball may not be more accurate per se. But one thing is for sure. A tight ball will not creep forward under recoil. That does happen and it can lead to enough delay in the ignition to ruin accuracy completely(that delay can be so slight you will barely notice it, but it will ruin your scores).

3 - keeping the soot soft with a good grease over the chambers not only allows for more shots fired before fouling gums things up, but also is a great plus in maitaining accuracy.

4 - greased wads I do not use. First they don't help accuracy much(at least not in my experience YMMV). And secondly. I compete with handguns at 25 meters. When I tried greased wads in training, I found out they could reach the target with enough force to get you in trouble when scoring your target.

Edit. Almost forgot. I use corn meal as a filler. It also helps keeping the barrel clean.
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My main thought after seeing these posts is that I need to seriously consider branching out from vintage K-frames. Thanks for sharing.
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OK... so, we got some black powder talk worked into the conversation.
So, anybody shoot black powder loads out of your N frames? I'm sure a lot of 44 Special loads were fired with black powder, and those 1st and 2nd model 455s must have seen some (MKI loads?) not to mention cordite!

My brother had a 25-5 45 "Long" Colt. We found a full box of 1909 45 Colt ammo, the stuff with the wider rims for use in the Colt New Service. We shot a lot of it and, sure enough, it was loaded with a very stiff load of black powder! It shot great.
Very high quality powder....it cleaned up with no problems.

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Not me. The only cartridge blackpowder I did was from:

My 3rd generation 7 1/5 SAA Colt in .45 Colt
An Uberti Schofield I used to have, also in .45Colt(I "cheated some" on that one)*.

A 5 1/5 Uberti SAA in .44WCF
An Uberti 1873 carbine in .44WCF

An Original Colt Lightning carbine and an Original 1873 Winchester carbine(both not mine but from a friend) in .44WCF.

A 4 3/4 Uberti SAA in .357 Magnum(I used .38 SPL cases and 17gr Swiss #1).

A Winchester 1886 Extra Light made by Miroku in .45-70.

* the "cheating" I have done with the Schofield was using .454 round balls over 28 grs of Swiss #1. The balls were seatead over the powder about level with the top of the cases. Then I completely sealed the cases with the same stuff I use on muzzle loading revolvers. It was very accurate, and I manage to shoot all day without the revolver binding because of fouling.
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43 posts and not one RM or NRM. Well I must rectify that! These matched 4.5” RM’s travel up to the West Virginia cabin several times a year for light workouts...most recently with Gold Dot 38 Special 125 GR GDHP which was recently on sale for half price at Target Sports USA.
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This 3.5” Reg Mag shoots. The playing card is 5 rounds at 5 yards in under 5 seconds from the holster.
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Took a couple modified pre war N Frames out as well as my NRM. Here’s how the 1917 and 44/44 OD did at 15yds.

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6String wrote: I'd like to recommend a great book, PISTOL AND REVOLVER SHOOTING by A.L.A. Himmelwright. (Bullet casters might recognize that name...). Anyhow, the book was published in 1930, but likely contains much writing a decade or so older. It gives a great number of insights into revolver shooting back then.
Thank you for the recommendation. Mine is on the way. For anyone's information, there are plenty more, reasonably priced, at AbeBooks.com.
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Most recently shot my new to me 625-5 in 45 Colt. My range bag is currently loaded for a Monday 1/2 price range visit. I'll be taking a M1917, a 2nd Model HE that was converted to 45 ACP with post WWI barrel and cylinder, and my 1955 Target that was converted to 45 Colt. I think I need to take the WWI 1911 too, it was a hoot after shooting the 625-5! My 2 37 Brazilians pout a lot, lol.
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Weekly range time with my 3.5" Nonregistered Magnum ... an awesome gun ... and trying out Federal Flite-Control 00 buck in a 1940 vintage Winchester 1897.

Also getting regular range time: 4" 38-44 Prewar Heavy Duty, a pair of Wolf and Klar 4" 44 Third Models, and a variety of 4" prewar M&P 38's. The fixed sight prewar guns shoot so well, and to the sights, that really the adjustables on a Magnum are only needed to regulate a variety of ammunition.

There really is nothing like a prewar S&W.


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