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Yes, I know, but it turns out my .22/32 Kit Gun (1955 or 56?) really likes CCI Stingers--they are as accurate as most "match" ammo, reliable and the empties don't stick. I hesitate to use them a lot, however, because I don't know how strong S&W's early fifties .22 LR steel was, and I don't want to stretch the charge holes or forcing cone.

If the steel for these semi-early Kit Guns is the same as used for that era's .38 Specials, etc., there shouldn't be a problem using Stingers.

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Wouldn't worry about it a bit. By the mid-50's, S&W's metallurgy was more than strong enough to withstand Stingers. Shoot it and relax.
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Wouldn't worry about it a bit. By the mid-50's, S&W's metallurgy was more than strong enough to withstand Stingers. Shoot it and relax.
Thanks, that made my day.
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No worries!

• Heat treatment was eliminated by order Oct. 12, 1945 for cylinders due to improved metallurgy on the ‘I’ frames, K22, K32 & K38, and the 44 & 45 N frames, S&W 1857 – 1945. The 38 N frame is not specifically listed. This likely means that 38/44s retained heat treated cyls, initiated on all model HEs by 1921 and continued thereafter until the 1945 change. And the .357 continued to have heat treatment as well as all subsequent magnum cartridge models.
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Mine was made in 1955 and I've shot lots of Stingers along with Yellow Jackets & Vipers with no problems .
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Old 07-24-2020, 04:45 AM
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Mine was made in 1955 and I've shot lots of Stingers along with Yellow Jackets & Vipers with no problems .
If I may hi-jack my own thread, is yours a 4-screw, with a 4" bbl., diamond magnas, a flat latch, serrated case colored trigger, almost invisible B/C gap, "SMITH & WESSON" in white on the left side of the bbl. and serial no. in white on the butt?

My serial no. is 13xxx.
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Wow.

Are guys really afraid of 22s blowing up?
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They are pronounced "STANGERS"! According to 22plinkster

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If I may hi-jack my own thread, is yours a 4-screw, with a 4" bbl., diamond magnas, a flat latch, serrated case colored trigger, almost invisible B/C gap, "SMITH & WESSON" in white on the left side of the bbl. and serial no. in white on the butt?

My serial no. is 13xxx.
The "white" lettering/numbering is not factory original.

Everything else you describe is correct for a Kit Gun in the #101 shipped 3/54 to somewhere in the approximate range of #23252, 11/56 thru #27241, early 1957 when 3 and 4 screw models overlapped.
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The "white" lettering/numbering is not factory original.

Everything else you describe is correct for a Kit Gun in the #101 shipped 3/54 to somewhere in the approximate range of #23252, 11/56 thru #27241, early 1957 when 3 and 4 screw models overlapped.
Thanks, Jim. So am I correct in thinking my 13xxx probably shipped in 55 or 56?

Also, Jinks' Revised Tenth Edition (12/92) shows pictures of what appears to be white lettering on various revolvers, including 34s and 35s on page 153. Are you perhaps saying it was the pre-34s that did not have factory white numbering/ lettering?

Color me confused.

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No white lettering was original from the factory, but it was a common enhancement by collectors. It makes the stampings stand out for photographic purposes.

Kits are still available to do it from Brownell's.
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No white lettering was original from the factory, but it was a common enhancement by collectors. It makes the stampings stand out for photographic purposes.

Kits are still available to do it from Brownell's.
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In case the OP cares, for my .22 snub I went looking for data from 2" barrels and found:

Stingers: ME=76, sectional density .093

Velocitors: ME=100, sectional density .116

I mean, more is more, man.
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In case the OP cares, for my .22 snub I went looking for data from 2" barrels and found:

Stingers: ME=76, sectional density .093

Velocitors: ME=100, sectional density .116

I mean, more is more, man.
Yep, I would imagine Aguila Super Maximum is right up there as well. I haven't yet tried it or Velocitors but I will. Thanks.

I mentioned Stingers only because I was surprised by their accuracy in my particular Kit Gun. In my long experience with them, in all types of "modern" firearms, Stingers served there purpose (power) but never proved very accurate.

BTW, I read somewhere long ago that Stingers use a slow-burning powder, so snubs and Stingers might not be the ideal combo.

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Thanks, Jim. So am I correct in thinking my 13xxx probably shipped in 55 or 56?

Also, Jinks' Revised Tenth Edition (12/92) shows pictures of what appears to be white lettering on various revolvers, including 34s and 35s on page 153. Are you perhaps saying it was the pre-34s that did not have factory white numbering/ lettering?

Color me confused.
Yes, very likely mid 1955.

If you mean his History of S&W, those are not photos with the white lettering, they're artwork and the lettering is white to show up clearly. There are some actual photos. If you look at those, the lettering is not white.
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Wow.

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No, it's the premature wear and cumulative damage they are concerned about with incorrect ammo. In this case as stated above however, it's misplaced concern.
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No, it's the premature wear and cumulative damage they are concerned about with incorrect ammo. In this case as stated above however, it's misplaced concern.
Right, Jim, but in 1995 I did a lot of informal target shooting with a 35-1 using four or five brands of mid-priced target ammo. Groups off bags at 15 yds were so so--about an inch plus, not counting bad flyers.

Then I shot a box of stingers (which weren't as good but not too bad). After cleaning, I went back to target ammo but my groups went to heck.

So, off it went to S&W for a check up. They said they had to reset the bbl. to relieve torque and ream out the throat. Just coincidence after shooting Stingers? Probably, but who knows.

Anyway, that's why I started this thread.

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RAMS,

That sounds like you had a barrel constriction in the frame threads. Not unusual with a high torqued (tight) barrel. A primary cause of inaccuracy and also leading which degrades accuracy even worse.

Fire lapping with lapping bullets loaded up will cure that at the range after firing about 8-10 cylnders full will eliminate the constriction.
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