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Old 07-27-2020, 02:21 PM
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. . . Can you tell us if there is a two digit stamp on your example on the upper forward left side grip frame?

And just because I am a M1917 junkie can you tell me if there are any small eagle head/number inspection stamps on the frame or yoke in the areas where their assembly numbers are stamped
Yes, the two-digit number on the upper forward left side of grip frame is 18 . . . and yes, there is a small eagle head with S2 inspector stamp on the frame (but none on the yoke).

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Yes, the two-digit number on the upper forward left side of grip frame is 18 . . . and yes, there is a small eagle head with S2 inspector stamp on the frame (but none on the yoke).

Russ
Thanks again Russ. I really like that military framed commercial M1917 example.......even if it is now chambered in .45Colt.

It is starting to look like added two digits on the upper forward left side grip frame do go hand-in-hand with the S&W factory reworked examples.
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whats the eagle s2 ? .. thats on my scrap iron '17
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Which book are you referring to that indicated 11 were made in 45 Colt in that serial # range?
as i find them again,, i'll post 'em

btw, the pics turn when uploaded here ... not the photographer
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whats the eagle s2 ? .. thats on my scrap iron '17
It tells us his commercial M1917 was actually built on a WWI M1917 frame that was inspected for the U.S. Government M1917 contract but due to the war/contract end it never was delivered to the military.

We see post-WWI commercial sales M1917 examples built using these spare/leftover M1917 government contract parts, as well as 44 Special examples, and post-WWII Brazilian M1917 examples that utilized even more U.S. M1917 contract parts found, etc...

Start a new thread on your M1917 example and we can give it a good lookover.

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Old 07-27-2020, 04:13 PM
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It tells us his commercial M1917 was actually built on a WWI M1917 frame that was inspected for the U.S. Government M1917 contract but due to the war/contract end it never was delivered to the military.

We see post-WWI commercial sales M1917 examples built using these spare/leftover M1917 government contract parts, as well as 44 Special examples, and post-WWII Brazilian M1917 examples that utilized even more U.S. M1917 contract parts found, etc...

Start a new thread on your M1917 example and we can give it a good lookover.
nothing really to see, thats the only markings on it and has been redone ..not a very good job. i really don't think a roll pin should be used as the bbl pin

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nothing really to see, thats the only markings on it and has been redone ..not a very good job. i really don't think a roll pin should be used as the bbl pin
I've seen worse. Much worse.
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Old 07-27-2020, 10:20 PM
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def not one of the RCMP, 11-15 run, 77 special orders.. they're all 5 digit sn

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as i find them again,, i'll post 'em

btw, the pics turn when uploaded here ... not the photographer

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I authored your exhibit above. And I can tell it's from the past year with my recent update on the serial range for the 455 1st Model TLs.

Here's more about them:

The run of 15 with consecutive serial numbers, made in 1916 are all commercial, #46748 from that range is documented. There is no cal markings on this gun and the only other markings are the standard. Roy had to research the build records to find them because the shipping records didnt list the cal. The front sights on these factory chambered for.45 Colt is a little higher [than 455 revolvers]. This is the only one of the 15 that is known. Roy said he guessed the other 14 were for a shipment to some other country. Jim Fisher bmg60 2nd Model Hand Ejector - 45 LC?

In 1953 when your gun made the return trip to the mother ship, your barrel was changed because Smith used the 455 barrel dimensions for the small number of pre war 45 Colt chambered models. After the war 45 Colt chambered gun barrels reverted to the 1917 45 ACP barrel dimensions still used to this day for 45 Colt.
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Old 07-28-2020, 03:47 PM
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prob a 455 convert done at the factory with unmodified parts
but now the historians reply "you have something special" reeled me into getting a letter (they already know what it is)
letter in prog..
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"Something Special" could have just as much to do with who it shipped to.

Maybe it was also their polite way of hinting at it was a factory conversion instead of an unnamed entity doing it? (Maybe even whoever sent it back to S&W for rework was noteworthy?)

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Something special means only one of the two things mentioned: rare model or rare destination/owner.

I have no doubt it's a factory conversion at this point.
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I just have to say I have never seen that factory explanation of the "star" rework marking posted above. I find it interesting that it addresses the work being paid for and "then" the star applied. I love this forum.

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I just have to say I have never seen that factory explanation of the "star" rework marking posted above. I find it interesting that it addresses the work being paid for and "then" the star applied. I love this forum.

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Yes, they seemed quite serious about receiving the remittance for work to be performed......like any legitimate business I guess.
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This has been an interesting read. As the owner of a factory Commercial 1917 converted to .45 Colt Ctg. I'm curious to see what is found.

On minor note my barrel, cylinder and ejector star all have diamond stamps along with matching serial numbers.



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On minor note my barrel, cylinder and ejector star all have diamond stamps along with matching serial numbers.
That's a major note! Very nice.

Have you checked under the left stock for the rework date stamped on the left side grip frame?
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I'll make you a deal. Go shoot it a few times and if it turns out it was originally shipped from S&W chambered in .45Colt I'll give you 95% of your $125
now the hoopala is over for about 2mths , that wouldn't pay for the gas (5 trips 3hrs ea). just to save this from ruins

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now the hoopala is over for about 2mths , that wouldn't pay for the gas 5 trips (3hrs ea) just to save this from ruins
I thought we later agreed upon a $62.50 sale price???

The postal money order has already been sent.
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I thought we later agreed upon a $62.50 sale price???

The postal money order has already been sent.
i suppose you want a box of ammo too
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If'n it's not too much trouble.
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i did get a box with the gun... a holster too
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i don't think it's to "special" so i'll shoot it
.. just rip'd off 500rds of cowboy loads (trailboss / 250gr polymer) for the ol girl
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That's a major note! Very nice.

Have you checked under the left stock for the rework date stamped on the left side grip frame?
I have and there is no rework date under the stocks.
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Will be interesting to see what the letter says

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i don't think it's to "special" so i'll shoot it
.. just rip'd off 500rds of cowboy loads (trailboss / 250gr polymer) for the ol girl
A man can't have too many 650's
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the next 8wks be like.........
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