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like to get some info on this ? RCMP 724 ? .... all #s match
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If I read the SN correctly it seems to be in the sequence of the 2nd Model MKIIs in .455. Could the cylinder have been reamed to accept 45 Colt? In this SN range I don't think the caliber was stamped on the barrel. I think I see crossed pennants and perhaps the other usually seen British acceptance stamps on the frame. Other than that it looks like one I'd like to have I can't suggest more but others will be along who can. Oh, and welcome to the Forum, a very interesting first post.

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If I read the SN correctly it seems to be in the sequence of the 2nd Model MKIIs in .455. Could the cylinder have been reamed to accept 45 Colt? In this SN range I don't think the caliber was stamped on the barrel. I think I see crossed pennants and perhaps the other usually seen British acceptance stamps on the frame. Other than that it looks like one I'd like to have I can't suggest more but others will be along who can. Oh, and welcome to the Forum, a very interesting first post.

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yes, it has the crossed pennants and acc. stamp and no cal. on bbl .
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Where is the "RCMP 724" stamping? I agree that this is a 2nd Model .455. Can you post a picture of the cylinder, taken from the rear, so that we can see the chambers? All, we need a picture of the recoil plate, the area where the firing pin protrudes when fired.
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Where is the "RCMP 724" stamping? I agree that this is a 2nd Model .455. Can you post a picture of the cylinder, taken from the rear, so that we can see the chambers? All, we need a picture of the recoil plate, the area where the firing pin protrudes when fired.
is no stamp with RCMP 724 (it was mentioned in a book)
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The chambers have been deepened for the .45 Colt round. It appears the recoil plate has been shaved, as the .45 Colt has a slightly thicker rim than the .455 cartridge.
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The chambers have been deepened for the .45 Colt round.
no ridges in the cyl ?
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You can see the front of the chambers in your las picture. The chambers of an unaltered .455 would be much closer to the rear of the cylinder.
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You can see the front of the chambers in your las picture. The chambers of an unaltered .455 would be much closer to the rear of the cylinder.
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Nice looking gun

Chammbers are smooth yes, but, I can see the step from case size to throat size about 3/8" from the barrel end of cylinder. The cylinder retains the serial number and has no shallow recesses at the chamber, so if it was originally a 455 it would have needed about .02 taken off the face of the recoil shield because the colt has a thicker rim. (I think the recoil shield does look shaved) Of course the chambers are reamed deeper on a 45 colt than on a 455. If they were reamed deeper after production it would be difficult to see if the smith did good work.

Some S&W 45 colts were made for the Canadian RCMP. I would love to have one.

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Chammbers are smooth yes, but, I can see the step from case size to throat size about 3/8" from the barrel end of cylinder. The cylinder retains the serial number and has no shallow recesses at the chamber, so if it was originally a 455 it would have needed about .02 taken off the face of the recoil shield because the colt has a thicker rim. (I think the recoil shield does look shaved) Of course the chambers are reamed deeper on a 45 colt than on a 455. If they were reamed deeper after production it would be difficult to see if the smith did good work.

Some S&W 45 colts were made for the Canadian RCMP. I would love to have one.
there is no step in bores, in the pic it may look to be .
i "think" the ones (724) made for the RCMP were built as 45lc not modified 455s .
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there is no step in bores, in the pic it may look to be .
i "think" the ones (724) made for the RCMP were built as 45lc not modified 455s .
Sure there is, the transition from chamber to throat area is plainly visible. It's going to be a ramp, not a sharp shoulder, but the change in diameter is there.
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If you have a sufficiently accurate measuring device such as calipers or pin gages, you will find that the back end of the chambers measure about .483 and the front end will measure about .459. At least that's what my rechambered .455 measures, although on mine the backside of the cylinder was faced off, as opposed to the recoil shield on yours being thinned.

The most certain way to be sure though is to get a Letter of Authenticity from Roy Jinks, S&W Historian. But I'll bet you a nickel that your gun was originally chambered in .455, not .45 Colt.

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Sure there is, the transition from chamber to throat area is plainly visible. It's going to be a ramp, not a sharp shoulder, but the change in diameter is there.
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If you have a sufficiently accurate measuring device such as calipers or pin gages, you will find that the back end of the chambers measure about .483 and the front end will measure about .459. At least that's what my rechambered .455 measures, although on mine the backside of the cylinder was faced off, as opposed to the recoil shield on yours being thinned.

The most certain way to be sure though is to get a Letter of Authenticity from Roy Jinks, S&W Historian. But I'll bet you a nickel that your gun was originally chambered in .455, not .45 Colt.

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yes the chambers do tapered down, but there is no step-ridge .

the recoil shield bluing matches the rest of the gun, it doesn't look like it was re blued ?
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Clearly, the cylinder has proper throats for 45 Colt, but is unmodified for 45 Colt rim thickness.

I was just looking at a modified 2nd HE in which the cylinder chambers were slightly recessed to accommodate the thicker 45 Colt rim. The markings were thus retained. So far, so good, as far as 455 to 45 Colt rechamberings go.
Unfortunately whoever did the work reamed the chambers as straight through cylinder bore diameter. No throats at all!
You could insert a 45 Colt from either end of the cylinder.

Needless to say, I had to pass on that one!
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the last owner had this gun for 50+yrs, i don't see any mods done to it. i believe its a factory 45lc ... keep an eye out, it'll be on the block soon
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You may not see the modification but the rest of us do. You can resolve the issue easily, and should if you intend to represent this as a "factory 45 Colt," by requesting a S&W letter. That will tell you for sure how it left the factory.

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breech has not been faced, the wheel has not been faced, no cal. stamp on the bbl and theres no recess ? what mods are you seeing ?
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Unless I am mistaken the S&W revolvers built for .45Colt have a longer cylinder than those built for the shorter .455Webley. If that is truly the case then I would not expect to see as much of a gap between the front cylinder face and frame nor would I expect to see so much of the barrel breech showing through the frame if this revolver truly started out life as a .45Colt.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but this does look to be an anomaly with the OP's example if he is thinking it was originally chambered in .45Colt.

It was not uncommon to convert .455Webley caliber examples to .45Colt or .45acp before being sold onto the U.S. market..........much like the many .38S&W caliber U.K. Victory revolvers that were converted to .38special before being sold onto the U.S. market.

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Unless I am mistaken the S&W revolvers built for .45Colt have a longer cylinder than those built for the shorter .455Webley. If that is truly the case then I would not expect to see as much of a gap between the front cylinder face and frame nor would I expect to see so much of the barrel breech showing through the frame if this revolver truly started out life as a .45Colt.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but this does look to be an anomaly with the OP's example if he is thinking it was originally chambered in .45Colt.
Actually, a S&W made cylinder, chambered in .45 Colt, would be slightly shorter than a .455 cylinder. This due to the fact that a .455 cartridge has a thinner rim.
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breech has not been faced, the wheel has not been faced, no cal. stamp on the bbl and theres no recess ? what mods are you seeing ?
I agree the breach has not been faced - or if it has it has been returned to near orig. dimensions not easy to achieve, you can not remove .020 from the breech face and have the staking grooves that pronounced around the hammer nose bushing or have the freeing rebate also visible in the photo.
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Actually, a S&W made cylinder, chambered in .45 Colt, would be slightly shorter than a .455 cylinder. This due to the fact that a .455 cartridge has a thinner rim.
That's odd as factory chambered S&W N-Frame .45Colt examples I have seen have a cylinder that fills out the frame's cylinder cutout way more than the OP's example.

Has S&W went back and forth with either the cylinder length or the frame's cylinder cutout size over the years?

Admittedly I am a .45acp revolver guy and not a .45Colt guy but I know I have seen numerous S&W .45Colt chambered examples that do not have anywhere near the gap my .45acp examples have between the front cylinder face and frame. (Nor did they have as much breech/forcing cone visible just forward of the cylinder.)

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Short cylinders/long barrel shank means that the bullet has a shorter path from the cylinder into the barrel.

If you can find a picture of a M25-3, which is the 125th Anniversary Model chambered in .45 Colt, the cylinder is short. When the M25-5, chambered in .45 Colt, was introduced, S&W used a longer cylinder.

"...maybe this did not happen with earlier S&W factory chambered .45lc examples?"

There were very few S&W revolvers built in .45 Colt. Most were special order until the M25-5 was introduced in 1978.
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Muley,

I was looking for a pic of one of the few actual RCMP factory chambered .45Colt 2nd Model examples but I was unlucky in finding anything. (All I could turn up were pics of .455 examples with .45Colt conversions.)

Do you happen to have a pic of one?

I guess I'll have to get used to the fact that S&W .45Colt revolvers could have long or short cylinders. Maybe I should just stick to my .45acp examples............but I knew I had seen S&W .45Colt cylinders taking up most all of the frame's cylinder cutout.

Maybe I should just stick to the .45acp examples.

Thanks for the clarification.

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I was looking for a pic of one of the few actual RCMP factory chambered .45Colt 2nd Model examples but I was unlucky in finding anything. (All I could turn up were pics of .455 examples with .45Colt conversions.)

Do you happen to have a pic of one?
'Fraid not.
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Yeah even pictures of them seem rare as hen's teeth. Maybe one of our friends way up north can help us out with one?

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I thought all of the RCMP .45 Colt S&Ws were altered .455s..........
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I thought all of the RCMP .45 Colt S&Ws were altered .455s..........
I have read where 700 or so S&W 2nd Model Hand Ejectors, factory chambered in .45Colt, were shipped to Canada for RCMP use.
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Welcome! This is a nicely preserved example of a WW I era N frame.

However, as stated above the only way to verify its originality is with a letter of authenticity from the SWHF:

http://www.swhistoricalfoundation.com/swhf_letter.pdf

There is conflicting information in the photos (some suggesting originality, some suggesting aftermarket modification) that only the letter will clarify. As you are apparently looking to sell (buy?) it, there would be a 300-500% difference in its value between a nice but altered .455 Mk II and an original .45 Colt. Lacking such documentation everything is pure speculation, on anyone's part.

Good luck in your decision and I hope it letters.
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also mentioned in the books are 77 commercial 45lc... who knows, so many inconsistencies in these books and letters
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Short cylinders/long barrel shank means that the bullet has a shorter path from the cylinder into the barrel.

If you can find a picture of a M25-3, which is the 125th Anniversary Model chambered in .45 Colt, the cylinder is short. When the M25-5, chambered in .45 Colt, was introduced, S&W used a longer cylinder.

"...maybe this did not happen with earlier S&W factory chambered .45lc examples?"

There were very few S&W revolvers built in .45 Colt. Most were special order until the M25-5 was introduced in 1978.
I had one of the 25-3 models and it indeed did have the shorter 44 special length cylinder. My Keith style 255gr SWC would not work when crimped on the forward groove. To long for those cylinders. As Muley said S&W never went to the 44 mag length cylinder (minus recesses) until the model 25-5

Finding a picture of a factory 45 colt prior to the 25-3 will be difficult as there are not many.

Am I sure the Mods gun is modified. NO. But, I would not bet a bunch of money on it without a factory letter. As far as the last owner having it for 50+ years. That leaves 40+ years for someone to have tinkered with it. If it is original a letter signed by Roy Jinks will be the best money you could ever spend on it.
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The prev owner said it was orig 45lc when he got it and did not sell the gun as a rare 45lc
As for a letter , it was said in other posts that the lcís serial numbs may not be avail ?
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I'm willing to bet $100 that the gun is not an original 45 Colt. Heres the deal, order the letter, if it letters as an original RCMP 45 Colt I'll pay the $100. If it turns out to be a modified .455 you pay the $100. I'll be happiest if it letters as an original RCMP 45 Colt as I've never seen one. Why would a 2nd Model built in 45 Colt have gone to Great Britain for WWI service as indicated by the British acceptance stamps on the frame? Good luck.

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I hope everyone notes that I am NOT getting involved in this mess.

I do wonder why the barrel lacks a caliber marking?
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I do wonder why the barrel lacks a caliber marking?
MKIIs in the four digit SN range, not sure exactly how many, did not have the caliber stamp. Here's an example from an earlier forum post.

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As an M1917 .45acp revolver collector I only know what I have seen with regards to S&W's later style longer .45Colt cylinder.

That being said this has been a very informative thread for me as to the S&W factory chambered .45Colt variants.

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This is a .455 Mark II, 2nd Model HE. There were .45 Colts that were shipped to the Canadian Govt. in Ottawa. So this can plausibly be a standard .455 or a factory .45 Colt. Let's focus on the details first before further speculation.

Let's start with this thread... please look at the recoil shield and photos of the chambers. The .455 chamber throat is approx. 65% down the length of the chamber from the rear, whereas a .45 Colt is more like 85%.

HE MKII 455 Cylinder Length

A .455 Cylinder is approx. 1.585" and a .45 Colt is approx 1.575", and a .45 acp is 1.54"

The headspace (between recoil shield & cylinder) on observed .455s is about 0.04" whereas observed 45 Colt cylinder headspaces is 0.06"... which is why a .455 Cylinder has to be modified or the recoil shield shaved; or both; or the ejector/chamber recessed.

Based upon these technical details, your photos indicate the current throat spacing in the chamber is for a .45 Colt. Most of us agree on that. THE Question is the head spacing for the rim of the .45 Colt...does it seat and does the loaded cylinder close with adequate space?

In my opinion, the OPs Revolver does not give definitive evidence of modifications from a .455 to a .45 Colt. Visually it looks like a .45 Colt to me. He could obviously eliminate a lot of questions by conducting these measurements to confirm/deny. Also why not give us a photo of a .45 Colt chambered in the cylinder (open and closed), closed to see head-spacing...or have you even tried to chamber a .45 Colt and close the cylinder...it will close or it won't.

Based upon answers to the above technical details we can dive into more subjective data regarding the serial number, shipping dates/records, and other comparable guns. The .455 Canadian/British/Commercial guns are very confusing when it comes to ship dates, duplication of serial numbers, proofs, etc. For example, there are guns that were not caliber marked and only had Smith & Wesson on the left-hand side. It is also rumored that the factory .45 Colts had a taller front sight when compared to the .455 sight, but I don't know the measurements or if this is factual.

So let's focus on the technical details and caliber prior to getting into these secondary details?

P.S. I'm in the same boat, currently waiting on my letter to confirm a .455 Mark II, 2nd Model HE .45 Colt that I own. Mine has been converted by King into a King Super Target but has the hallmarks of being a factory .45 Colt as based upon the above measurements.
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Well another method of verification would be to measure the thickness from front of firing pin bushing to face where hammer contacts.
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This is a .455 Mark II, 2nd Model HE. There were .45 Colts that were shipped to the Canadian Govt. in Ottawa. So this can plausibly be a standard .455 or a factory .45 Colt. Let's focus on the details first before further speculation.

Let's start with this thread... please look at the recoil shield and photos of the chambers. The .455 spacing is approx. 65% down the length of the chamber from the rear, whereas a .45 Colt is more like 85%.

HE MKII 455 Cylinder Length

A .455 Cylinder is approx. 1.585" and a .45 Colt is approx 1.575", and a .45 acp is 1.54"

The headspace (between recoil shield & cylinder) on observed .455s is about 0.04" whereas observed 45 Colt cylinder headspaces is 0.06"... which is why a .455 Cylinder has to be modified or the recoil shield shaved; or both; or the ejector/chamber recessed.

In my opinion, the OPs Revolver does not give definitive evidence of modifications from a .455 to a .45 Colt. Visually it looks like a .45 Colt to me. He could obviously eliminate a lot of questions by conducting these measurements to confirm/deny. Also why not give us a photo of a .45 Colt chambered in the cylinder (open and closed), closed to see head-spacing...or have you even tried to chamber a .45 Colt and close the cylinder...it will close or it won't.

Based upon answers to the above technical details we can dive into more subjective data regarding the serial number, shipping dates/records, and other comparable guns. The .455 Canadian/British/Commercial guns are very confusing when it comes to ship dates, duplication of serial numbers, proofs, etc. For example, there are guns that were not caliber marked and only had Smith & Wesson on the left-hand side.

So let's focus on the technical details and caliber prior to getting into these secondary details?
The technical approach is interesting; much to learn about cylinder lengths.

No one has commented though on a question I asked above; why would the Brits accept (see light acceptance marks shown on frame in OP's first post) a revolver in 45 Colt early in WWI? They had no other weapons, to my knowledge, that used that cartridge. Clearly the gun was accepted as a MKII by the Brits as proven by the stamps. Thoughts?

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The technical approach is interesting; much to learn about cylinder lengths.

No one has commented though on a question I asked above; why would the Brits accept (see light acceptance marks shown on frame in OP's first post) a revolver in 45 Colt early in WWI? They had no other weapons, to my knowledge, that used that cartridge. Clearly the gun was accepted as a MKII by the Brits as proven by the stamps. Thoughts?

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I cannot see them closely enough, but those are likely Canadian acceptance marks. The Canadians also proofed their guns in that location and generally applied far fewer than the Brits. This further supports the narrative that this is a Ottawa Government shipment ordered by an officer/RCMP for personal use. I do not see the other Canadian military proofs I'd expect. So I'm thinking a personal issue/ordered service weapon. Based upon information at hand, I think this is is a single shipment Canadian .455 Mark II. The question is if it is a .455 or .45 Colt chamber originally.
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The real elephant in the room is the fact that the OP's example has also been refinished. (Look closely at the softening of the left side barrel markings and the flattening of the rebound slide pin end.) The ejector knob end's tapered edge should also still be in the white if still the factory original finish. (I cannot determine if the OP's example still has the knob end in the white.) Many times this also gets blued during a refinish unless the refinisher is trying their best to duplicate a S&W factory bluing job.

Other evidence of a possible reblue would be the non-factory later applied U.K./Canadian stamps being blued over.

Possibly a caliber conversion from .455Webley to .45Colt happened when it was refinished. (?)

So if the last owner had it for 50 years wasn't the person responsible for the refinish then whoever was responsible for the refinish could have just as easily had it converted to .45Colt prior to the last owner's knowledge. Both the caliber conversion and refinish could have been performed to make the revolver more desirable for commercial U.S. sale. (No disrespect to the OP as it is still a very nice looking example with in my opinion a very "tasteful" refinish.)

Here is how crisp and round I would expect the barrel marking and rebound slide pin to look on an non-refinished example: (example pics using a S&W M1917 example but you get the idea.)
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I’ll mic the cyl when i get home later . the edges are crisp not rounded ...creative photogrphy
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If at all possible please provide lots of good quality pics, especially of all of the factory and post factory markings/stamps.

If the rebound slide pin is truly flat on the left side frame, as it appears to be, then it would be hard to argue against a refinish. Softening of any of the factory applied markings or bluing present where the factory would have left things in the white are also indicators of a refinish.

When I say "tasteful" refinish I mean the refinisher was very mindful about not overly washing out markings or rounding of squared edges. Unfortunately there will usually be evidence of a refinish performed if one knows what to look for closely enough. I have seen a few over the years that were very very well done and could possibly fool even a few more experienced collectors.

You might also remove the stocks and look for a factory rework numeric date code stamped on the left side grip frame. It's a stretch but it would be nice to eliminate any possible factory refinish/caliber change work being performed. I think we would have already heard about a star, diamond, or other external factory rework symbols by now from you if that were the case.

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Here is a picture of the way the British acceptance stamps look on a non refinished .455 MKII. If the OP's gun had not been refinished the stamps on his should look more like this. The only stamp, other than the crossed pennants that I can make out is the II on the frame. Indicates to me that whatever happened to it after, it first went to England where it was received and stamped at Enfield. And while I appear to be beating a dead horse here, there is no reason a 2nd Model HE in 45 Colt would have been sent to England for service in WWI. If it went to Canada we should see remnants of Canada specific stamps; maybe better pictures would show them.

Here are a couple links to previous forum discussions of Canadian marked 2nd Models:

.455 Mk II Hand Ejector markings

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This is what i got til i get home
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I was too focused on the caliber earlier, but this revolver is likely refinished or parts have been refinished. Post war logo and trademark applied to sideplate, smoothed pin, bluing looks more satin than it should, grips have more wear than condition of gun.

I was typing while he posted. Service marks in the photo likely confirm refinish and/or parts conversion
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Post good clear pics of the numbers on the left side lower and upper grip frame. The small diamond and date code on the lower left grip frame definitely look to be a factory rework symbol and date of possibly 10.51 or 10.61. (Oct 1951 or Oct 1961) I cannot make out the numbers at the top of the left side grip frame, assuming it may possibly also be a date code of sorts, possibly a "41" but I just cannot make it out even with magnification.

Please post a good clear pics of the entire butt serial number and any symbols on the butt.

Also provide a good clear pic of the barrel serial number and any symbols found near the barrel's s/n as well.

Look at the rear cylinder closely. It may be a complete new factory replacement. Let us know if there are any symbols like stars or diamonds on it or the yoke. (Please provide good clear pics of the markings/symbols on the cylinder and yoke.) Check to see if the yoke's assembly number matches the frame's assembly number located opposite of it on the frame.

The large commercial logo on the removable sideplate is also an indicator of later factory rework, especially if the assembly number stamped on it's backside matches the frame and yoke assembly number. Let us know if all 3 assembly numbers are matching.

I think we are getting to the bottom of what might have went on with this critter. A SWHF letter may also shed more definitive light as to what rework was actually performed during it's return visit back to the factory.

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The reason I am curious about your cylinder possibly being a complete replacement is due to the serial number font used for your cylinder looks to be a later style font and not the more stylized font I would expect to see on a revolver this old.

I wonder if the barrel's serial number font too will look like the later style font?

If possible please provide good clear pics off all the serial numbers and assembly numbers so we can make a good determination.

Here is a pic of the more stylized serial number on one of my M1917 cylinders:
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