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the best thing since sliced bread! 12 23.53%
very useful, should be on every gun! 33 64.71%
dumb, also I hate fun! 6 11.76%
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Old 07-30-2020, 08:42 PM
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Is it ok to just really like them for no particular reason?

Any of you like them for reasons, or no reasons? You should show off your old S&Ws that have them.

The reason for this post is that I finally got around to finding a lanyard ring to replace the missing one on this 1917:





A gun that sort of occupies a weird spot in my heart, I always loved it, despite the reblue scrubbing all the military markings off. It does seem to be a rather old re-finish, and inoffensive to my rather strange sensibilities. It's much like the factory refinish on my triple lock.

Still, I usually don't like reblued guns, so this one pleasing me is a real oddity, especially with the intentional removal of markings.

If anyone is interested in the details of the modification, and they aren't just enraptured by the glorious lanyard ring:

The front sight is King, as is the rear blade, the rear sight itself seems to be a factory S&W sight. As mentioned the gun is refinished with special care to remove those military markings, although they were at least savvy enough when they did it to stamp the S/N under the grips on both sides of the frame. There are no other markings under there.

The fun thing is that the hammer is a concentric grooved...registered magnum hammer. It makes for such an odd snappy action. I don't know if I just have to buy the weird ones (and discover extra weirdness when I sit down and look at them later), or if the weird ones seek me out.


Anyway, enough about that gun.

I'd like to see your Lanyard equipped S&Ws!
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I like lanyard rings and use them with lanyards when hunting and fishing. None of my S&Ws have rings but I have been known to take my Lanyard equipped Webley Mk V deer hunting.. Strange looks from other hunters are part of the fun!
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Only have a few, but they do have their uses.





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Unfortunately my favorite Lanyard Ring equipped revolver does not belong i this section as it from 1975

What the heck . . . . . . . .



This is one of only 200 pieces delivered to the Rhode Island State Police before they switched to 4" revolvers.

I believe this revolver to be unissued
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I think this is the only lanyard gun that I own. It is a factory installed lanyard and it shipped April 15, 1931 in the configuration that you see. A fun gun that I do like - and yes, I like lanyards - no particular reason, other than that I think they're cool...











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Gee, not sure if I like lanyard rings or not.

Here's a Registered Magnum with a lanyard ring, shipped 83 years ago today.
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Maybe the lanyard on a handgun was useful 100+ years ago in the trenches
of WW I. But now? Don't think they do anything but add something to dangle around......
All the revolvers I had were plugged if they ever had a lanyard hole...
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I don’t like them.
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Have a couple and their fine for what they are. Have another one in a VICTORY flavor that should be here next week. This one, a 1917 Brazilian Model wears Walrus Ivory. Also have a lend lease with a 4" barrel that finds its way to a trout stream now and then. Was plugged when I got her, but I found a repro ring cheap so that works as well. Looking forward to the Victory getting here.

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That'a beauty! The concentric grooved hammer may actually be the original 1917 hammer. It was the first model to have those hammers. Mostly only seen on the earliest production with serial #s below ~ 15-20,000. And a few have shown up on much higher numbered 1917s.


I do like lanyard swivels and rings. Never use them but like them for their authenticness and original purpose of the guns they came on; a bit of old world panache!

My first one came on a 1917 also converted to a target model by Micro site many years ago.

It uses a factory pre war Reg Mag "2 screw" sight with the grooves below and behind the the rear sight blade. Redfield front site blade sightis milled for in the front base and pinned in like factory target sights of that era. Hammer is converted to Micro Site "double cockeyed" (copy of King) hammer. Upgraded with the post-order change of March 18, 1929 serrated factory target trigger.

S&W stocks are early 1950's smooth original ‘cokes’. No star and no rework date. But the re-blue is every bit as “factory” as a factory rework. Even to the point of not flattening the rebound slide pin protruding on the left side of the frame!



Someone took great pains with the stocks to retain the lanyard swivel:



This 500 also came from the factory with the Hogue "Tamer" grips and lanyard ring, which doubles as the grip retaining screw.



My third and only other gun using a lanyard swivel is this 455 MKII 2nd Model British Svc Revolver. It was missing when i got it and this photo was shot but has been replaced.


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You missed one option, the one I would choose, so I didn't vote.
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Another 1917!
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Hah, I thought that too, but then this forum schooled me on that in another thread.

It turns out not one, but two of my modified 1917s have Registered Magnum hammers on them, for some reason or another. I think it has to do with making a really snappy action. The difference between the old 1917 and RM hammers was not obvious to me when it was pointed out initial, now I can't not see the different checkering pattern and the patent info on it.

This is the other one:





and when I went to fetch that I realized I also had this funny looking gun with a lanyard ring on it (which shipped to the dept of the interior 3 days before pearl harbor was attacked and then sent to the bonneville dam)





and, despite the heresy of posting something originally created in the wrong factory, this is where the second lanyard ring I found went:





maybe not entirely purified by King, but one of the few colts that I own that I truly like.

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S&W stocks are early 1950's smooth original ‘cokes’. No star and no rework date. But the re-blue is every bit as “factory” as a factory rework. Even to the point of not flattening the rebound slide pin protruding on the left side of the frame!



Someone took great pains with the stocks to retain the lanyard swivel:

This gun is fantastic. I'd be extremely proud to own it.

I feel like the later stocks are so good and yet so wrong, I can't sort my feelings about them, but I think they do belong on this gun...despite my usual feeling that finding pre-war targets for pre war guns is the way to go.

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My two, for now, are a 1943 Victory model shipped to the U.S. Navy, and a production overrun (1of 112) Chiefs Specials like the 2,000 shipped to the U.S. Navy in 1977.

Yeah, I like 'em.
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Once upon a time I was fixing up a Victory that was missing the lanyard ring.
So I searched the interweb in several directions looking to find one.
The next day the wife was a little curious about the search history for Butt Swivels .
My , they do expect the worst.

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I think they have a certain place on some N frames, and I believe they are foolish on anything smaller. I see no real need on auto pistols and find them often to be a hindrance rather than an asset. I do shoot a contender better when it is looped around my neck, but see very few situations where a revolver has time for slow, precise long range fire. If I had an N frame where one was added rather than factory it would quickly come off. I also see and hear the slight clatter of a holstered gun with a lanyard an ugly nuisance.
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I have a few on my 45 ACP revolvers.

I like them but have not tried shooting with the lanyard in place.

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Does RCMP still use lanyards on duty pistols? Think they do when in ceremonial red coats.

I saw a US marked M-36 snub with a ring. Seller said it was a former USN gun. NCIS? Aviator?

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This K-22 Masterpiece had a lanyard ring when I purchased it but did not letter as such. It is mounted exactly as was done on a Victory Model. Probably done by a local gunsmith. It came out of the estate of a gentleman who as a Cavalry Officer in WWI. There is a Registered Magnum out there that also came from his estate and I believe that it too was fitted with a lanyard ring. The crossed keys symbol stamped above the trigger is some kind of family crest or symbol and other guns from his estate are similarly stamped.
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Does anyone know where I can buy a lanyard ring and the locking doohickey for a 2001-ish 1917 Heritage model? I took mine off for some custom grips, and somewhere in my last move 12 years ago it ran away.

I've emailed S&W a couple of times during those years without a response, and I believe I placed a WTB ad on this site one time, but I can't be sure. I figure when selling time comes, it would be easier to find a buyer with it than without.

So, any leads would be appreciated, and thank you.

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While I am not a fan of the lanyard rings, I can absolutely see their usefulness for the Cavalry back in the day when they were on Horseback or Motorcycles. If I ever bought a Revolver model with one, I'd leave it there but would not normally buy such a model.
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My only two S & W's with lanyard ring are as issued way back when. The US Army Model 0f 1899, Letters as shipping to US Armory, Springfield, MA on March 29, 1901, and the US Navy Victory Letters as shipping to US Navy, Oakland, CA on December 17, 1942.

Funny though that of the many pictures found of WWII flyers packing Victory revolvers in their shoulder holster, I haven't run across many of Victory revolvers with a lanyard attached to anything, but I sure can understand the need if on horseback (WWI) and at a gallop!

I did as a youth witness the use of a lanyard without a lanyard ring on a S&W revolver. The dairy farmer that I used to get paid to shoot woodchucks in his cow pastures would sometimes take me fishing for brook trout in a stream on his property, and he always had a K Frame (don't remember if 22 or 38) hanging around his neck on a leather thong tied off to the trigger guard. That stream was deep and fast, so we always had waders and the lanyard seemed a good way for him to keep the gun handy I guess.
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I like'em as original equipment. I have the feeling I might cultivate my appreciation of them if my pistola was tied to me by a lanyard and its accompanying ring when I dropped it while charging or fleeing from the enemy on horseback.
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Probably useful for outdoors activities in the woods, to keep the gun from getting lost, but would just be something else to get in the way if the handgun needed to be deployed in a hurry. I've never had one or thought it would be useful enough to install.
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I think they are fun. Had a 1917 Colt with a ring. Also a 38 Enfield. Couple of SRC lever guns and a Trapdoor with a ring. Oh, and a Rolling Block, too. Some of my 1911s have rings.

Only have 2 S&W with rings and they are supposed to have them. Technically my 39s and my 659 have rings, I guess. As does my Luger. Would be cool to have an RM or a TL with a special order ring. When my first VM arrived the ring was missing. I found a guy with a baggie full of NOS S&W rings. He wanted $10 for it. There were 10 rings in the bag. I used 2 on my VMs, gave a couple away to strangers in need, and put the rest away in my Big Box of Odd Stuff.






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Yes, they give an adversary something to grab onto and control you, kinda like the cross strap on the old Sam Browne belt!
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I like them as original equipment on weapons of that time period, they look like they belong there.

As for the weapons of today having a lanyard ring, I wouldn't let a lanyard ring encourage or discourage me from buying the weapon.
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I must admit I did not think there would be such strong emotions regarding lanyard rings.

Seeing as this is a sub forum devoted to guns that are at the newest nearly 60 years old, my assumption was that everyone enjoyed archaic features for their own sake. At least some archaic features. I thought a tongue in cheek thread celebrating a feature which (lets be honest here) was mostly just a thing so that soldiers would stop losing their damn guns.

After shooting people while galloping on horseback stopped being a thing at least.

What I am trying to say is that as near as I can tell, lanyard rings on 100 year old S&W revolvers seemed to me to be maybe the least serious thing to have an opinion about in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty. Had I known that they were such serious business I wouldn't have made a joke poll to go along with a thread that I made because I was pleased to finally put some rings back on guns that had originally had them on there and felt sort of incomplete without them.

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I must admit I did not think there would be such strong emotions regarding lanyard rings.

Seeing as this is a sub forum devoted to guns that are at the newest nearly 60 years old, my assumption was that everyone enjoyed archaic features for their own sake. At least some archaic features. I thought a tongue in cheek thread celebrating a feature which (lets be honest here) was mostly just a thing so that soldiers would stop losing their damn guns.

After shooting people while galloping on horseback stopped being a thing at least.

What I am trying to say is that as near as I can tell, lanyard rings on 100 year old S&W revolvers seemed to me to be maybe the least serious thing to have an opinion about in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty. Had I known that they were such serious business I wouldn't have made a joke poll to go along with a thread that I made because I was pleased to finally put some rings back on guns that had originally had them on there and felt sort of incomplete without them.

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No need to apologize. If everyone quit starting threads because they are afraid someone else might get their undies in a bunch over it, then we wouldn't have any new threads or discussions.
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I must admit I did not think there would be such strong emotions regarding lanyard rings.

Seeing as this is a sub forum devoted to guns that are at the newest nearly 60 years old, my assumption was that everyone enjoyed archaic features for their own sake. At least some archaic features. I thought a tongue in cheek thread celebrating a feature which (lets be honest here) was mostly just a thing so that soldiers would stop losing their damn guns.

After shooting people while galloping on horseback stopped being a thing at least.

What I am trying to say is that as near as I can tell, lanyard rings on 100 year old S&W revolvers seemed to me to be maybe the least serious thing to have an opinion about in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty. Had I known that they were such serious business I wouldn't have made a joke poll to go along with a thread that I made because I was pleased to finally put some rings back on guns that had originally had them on there and felt sort of incomplete without them.

I apologize.
I believe it’s a product of a bygone era though having done the Navy pilot gig, funny story is everything in my vest was connected via a lanyard except my Sig 228. Seems not correct now that I think about it.
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I'm willing to play.

I would have voted for "I like lanyard rings on revolvers originally equipped with the device."

Here are a few I have:

A Triple Lock .455 HE:




A Second Model .455 HE:




A .44 HE Second Model:




Great fun, these wonderful revolvers!

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Oh, one more comment. Those grips are to die for!





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I must admit I did not think there would be such strong emotions regarding lanyard rings.

Seeing as this is a sub forum devoted to guns that are at the newest nearly 60 years old, my assumption was that everyone enjoyed archaic features for their own sake. At least some archaic features. I thought a tongue in cheek thread celebrating a feature which (lets be honest here) was mostly just a thing so that soldiers would stop losing their damn guns.

After shooting people while galloping on horseback stopped being a thing at least.

What I am trying to say is that as near as I can tell, lanyard rings on 100 year old S&W revolvers seemed to me to be maybe the least serious thing to have an opinion about in the year of our lord two thousand and twenty. Had I known that they were such serious business I wouldn't have made a joke poll to go along with a thread that I made because I was pleased to finally put some rings back on guns that had originally had them on there and felt sort of incomplete without them.

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Sorry, if I offended you. Some folks on this forum are collectors and buy guns and accessories that appeal to their sense of aesthetics. Others of us buy guns for their utilitarian value. That doesn't make either of us wrong, but it does guide the way we look at things. I'm one of the utilitarian guys, but I can and do appreciate good engraving and other things that add to the artistic value of firearms. I can also appreciate someone's collectible firearm with all the original accessories. I apparently just don't appreciate them as much as serious collectors.

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Tell us about them please!

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Not a huge amount to tell really. I don't actually know how old they are.

They were an ebay purchase, the guy I bought them from couldn't tell me who JR was, all he could tell me was that he took them off of a registered magnum.

I believe they were made by a man named Mike Poulin. From what I know he is primarily known for his work with ivory, but he also did produce stocks like this, mostly for Colts, but a few sets have surfaced for S&Ws.

I'm not sure if Mike Poulin is still around, and I have no idea how long he was making stocks for. So of all the stocks I own this particular set is very likely the newest. Yet they don't look it, and I absolutely love them, so my weird hangup about putting period stocks on guns has never really applied with this set.

The noted collector of Ropers and King guns (mostly of the colt persuasion) Skilled, filled me in on this some years back. He pointed me to these two threads regarding Poulin:

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I believe if you poke around there was at least one more set of his for a S&W that surfaced, and one of the excellent woodworkers around here made some reproductions.

As to the design I quite like it, with my only real criticism being that to my hand they could use more palm swell. I expect had I commissioned them directly that would be something that could have happened.

In any case there is one last thing that is probably noteworthy about them. They are kind of short. This particular 1917 has an issue that doesn't really show up in pictures, but you can probably notice now that the lanyard is on there; the butt has been taken down.

It looks like whoever did this gun was really keen on scrubbing any mark that might allow the US Government to reclaim this fine firearm. I know at one time the rumor was that they could just take any gun marked US PROPERTY, and a lot of files were put to such markings. This is a classier version of that. However, as a result, the length of the butt is more akin to the shorter triple lock frame. I suspect that Poulin may have have actually made these stocks for a Triple Lock.

If you look at these on one of my registered magnums:



you can see quite a lot of metal there along the base.

So, getting them is pure serendipity for me. As nothing else ever really fit this modified 1917 quite right due to the modification (except for a set of original triple lock service stocks).
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Have a couple and their fine for what they are. Have another one in a VICTORY flavor that should be here next week. This one, a 1917 Brazilian Model wears Walrus Ivory. Also have a lend lease with a 4" barrel that finds its way to a trout stream now and then. Was plugged when I got her, but I found a repro ring cheap so that works as well. Looking forward to the Victory getting here.

As soon as that fool in Richmond opens things up, I will get to a gun show and pick up an original. Have seen plenty in the past.
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I like 'em, they add character to the revolver. I have three with lanyard rings (TL .455, 2nd Model .44, Transitional 3rd Model .44 WSP) and two that have lost theirs through the years (2nd Model .44, 1917 D. A. 45).

It appears that the 6-1/2" 2nd Model .44 either shipped without a lanyard ring or it was removed by the original owner, pictured below with bad guy in tow.

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Years ago, if I bought a 1917, I would remove the lanyard loop and install S&W target grips. Later on, instead of factory targets, I would use Pachys.

Nowadays, if I change grips, I go with Kurac's Magnas.

I have a 2nd Model .44 with a loop, a .38 special Victory with a loop and a .45 Colt New Service with a loop.
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Fun thread! Laughed out loud at voting options. Pre war N frames cry out for lanyard rings, imho. They mean business. Dave
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S&W put one on this gun in 1916. Don't see any reason to remove it.
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OP should have offered a neutral response. I have a few guns that have a lanyard ring, but I don't use them. Doesn't bother me either. I can take 'em or leave 'em.
Now I have seen and even bought some revolvers that had a set of nice target stocks crudely chopped up on the bottom to clear a lanyard ring. Now that's a shame.
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Here is what I use for a lanyard n my 610.

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If you want to install a removable lanyard attachment, it's simple to do. If you have Hogues on your gun, call them up and have to send you a lanyard screw. Then just replace the regular screw with the lanyard screw. I then use a small quik-link to go through the hole in the lanyard screw, and some 550 para-cord goes through the link and around your neck just like Dudley Do Right of the Mounties.

If you prefer Compacs cut a hole in the bottom to make room for the attachment clip as I did here and use the lanyard screw there as well.

Here's the type of quik-link I am talking about. They're in hardware stores.


The lanyard screw costs $2.50 + S&H, and is not found on their website. They do stock it, so if you want one, the order has to be phoned in. To keep the para-cord from fraying, I turned a burner on my stove to high and touched the end of the cord to the red-hot burner.
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