Suzen decided to get her Texas License to Carry, and shot the range portion last night. Distances of 3yrds, 7yds & 15yds. 50 shots.
She used one of my Humpback Outdoorsmans, as they now let you shoot qualification with a .22. She weighs in at 105, so most of my other revolvers are just too heavy for her. I had purchased a new Ruger Lightweight SR1911 Officers model in 9mm for her, but alas, it had to be sent back to Ruger because it has ejection issues.

175 points are needed to qualify. I was proud as she pulled in the highest possible score of 250.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

Congratulations to Suzen for an outstanding job at the range.

Curious if things have changed in Texas LTC (I got mine 10 or 12 years ago). It USED to be that if you qualified with a semi-auto you could carry SA or revolver. If you qualified with revolver, you could only carry revolver. Has that changed?

Yes, that has recently changed. Suzen shooting with a 22 revolver qualifies her to carry one of my 1911's if she so desires.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

They changed that a few years ago. It used to be you had to qualify with no caliber smaller than .38 (thus, .380 but not .32), IIRC, but they changed that, too.

I used to be a Texas CHL instructor but I gave it up because I wasn't in the mood to drive down to Georgetown for the 4th or 5th time. I wasn't teaching much, anyway. But I think, and I sure could be wrong, that hits in the 8 ring back in the day were 4 points and in the 7 were 3 points and that target would be a 249. Maybe someone can correct me; it's been a long time.

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They made some positive changes to the LTC process and procedures, allowing quals with .22 cal was not one of them. It does a great disservice to the permit holder. A .22 is not a defensive carry round and nobody is going to carry a .22 as a self defense firearm. Imagine if law enforcement officers were allowed to qualify with a .22 but carried 9mm or .40 on job? I personally would be advocating to have firearms removed from said officers citing public safety concerns. Not trying to offend anyone but we, as a people, should be concentrating on surpassing the bar instead of being content with lowered standards. This rule change is tantamount to allowing a 1.8 G.P.A. sufficient to be accepted to M.I.T.

Anything inside the 8 is 5 points
7 ring is 4 points.
Outside 7 but in the green is 3 points.
Cutting the 9 ring is a 9.

She will be carrying a 9mm, but didn't want to wait for it to get back from Ruger to qualify, so that she could submit her application in and get the wheels of Government in motion.

I don't know about lowering standards, but I do hate to think that a good friend on mine would be disqualified from having her LTC because her physical disabilities preclude her shooting anything larger than 22 caliber.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

My wife, Sandi, and I gout our Texas CHLs when they first became legal quite a few years ago. Sandi is an incredible instinctive shooter and can routinely outshoot me with anything she picks up for the first time. She's also a 100 pounder but handled Colt Combat Commander (45) without a flinch. Gotta luv Texas wemmen! This is the same gal that gave me a Triple lock as an anniversary gift. But Bruce already knew that... Good on Suzen!

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A .22LR may not be the best defensive round, but a group like that to the chest will certainly be a deterrent!

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Thanks, Randy.
I have had to wrestle my Lightweight Commander in Super 38 away from her. I no longer put it in the mix when we shoot. She has shot a Triple Lock Target , but the weight wore her down after a couple cylinders.
Growing up Canadian, she never had an opportunity to be around guns. Now that she is a US citizen, she wants all the rights afforded her. She has only been shooting a couple months now, it was nice not having to break her of any bad habits.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

Bruce: I know exactly how best to keep your 38 super out of Suzen's hands... send it immediately to the same place the 5" TL went!! Been looking fer one of those. Better yet, call my wife back. There's another anniversary coming...

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Randy
Provenance nerd

Bruce, please tell us what your grips are? Some kind of bone? Really like the aged patina.

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They are Giraffe bone from Jeff Ellis. They look really good with half-inch medallions.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

Randy,
Have you spoiled her enough this year to deserve one with a little extra length to the barrel and adjustable sights.

Regards,
Bruce

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My grandmother put a burglar down for a dirt nap at age 78 or so using a H&R .22 . True story.

While certainly not optimum, or even preferable, a 22 legally in the hand beats empty hands acting illegally. Don't really need a government mandate to civilians on what tools are the minimum to defend life.

Just a true story, and my opinion. YMMV.

Over the years I have heard innumerable times that more people have been killed with .22s than anything else. Moreover, I assure you that plenty of folks carry .22s as self defense firearms for a variety of reasons.

I can't prove it or disprove it but up close and personal a .22 can see you through the night. You just have to hit your target, maybe several times, so it's not ideal, we know that, but any stop of a bad guy is a good stop.

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Key phrase in that statement is " at close range ". A head shot Inside 2 yards yes, beyond that a .22 would only piss off a drug fueled offender. In afganistan, I personally witnessed first hand how ineffective 9mm issue ammo was on taliban fighters high on heroin. Only way to stop them in CQB situations was a head shot, not an easy task when your adrenaline is way up. Remember this, some people dont feel pain, especially when they are high on drugs or adrenaline. Now tell me again how you would trust your life to a .22.

For the record I qualified with a 45 auto pistol and scored a 245. I wont carry anything smaller than 45 auto, I wont trust any other caliber for defense based on experience and terminal ballistics of said cartridge. Maybe .357 mag, but cost of ammo makes that less likely.

OP, that is a beautiful HB Outdoorsman. I have a couple of early Outdoorsman myself, but none with the HB hammer. The grips Ropers I assume.Very sharp package.

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There are gun snobs that think any gun cheaper than theirs is a piece of junk and caliber snobs that think any caliber smaller than what they use will be ineffective. My experience on animals with different calibers has been that a hit in the brain or spine is a stopper and a hit any place else and you have to wait for it too bleed out. I'm almost sure that a .22 beats bare hands even if the brain or spine is not hit. Larry

My wife (a native Texan) qualified in Kansas today. She qualified with a .22 as well. She has a 642 PC Pro that she will carry but she's been shooting the .22 recently because she likes it a lot.

When I take her to the range now, she'll be practicing exclusively with the 642. She's shot it a fair amount and likes it, but obviously it can be snappy. Practice, practice, practice....

Anyway, congrats to Suzen.

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Bruce,
Good for her!

Any any negative comments on what she qualified with can be recycled with yesterdays wasted electrons!

I wouldn't let that 38 Super near my old man (not even in pictures on the internet!). He nearly walked off with one of mine after shooting it at the range

The 44 looks dandy. I would take that to qualify with any day, any state, any time. Heck a Triple Lock Target would be great too. Lunch at Cracker Barrel again?

Take care, and keep Suzen shooting

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Thanks, Scott

I didn't mean to set off a .22 firestorm. Once her little Ruger Officer gets back, that's what she will tote around. She is also pretty handy with N frames, but the weight wears her down.

I used to have to hear the old "why do you need so many guns" routine. Now, she has decided that I need to give her one of my Humpback Outdoorsmans, she has the Ruger, and has laid claim to the cute little Colt Government 380 that I pick up this week

Lunch at CB is always an option. I have been pondering thinning the herd.

Regards,
Bruce

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Bruce

Sounds like your “Better Half” is thinning the herd for you... by “transferring them” to her herd! Sounds like a win-win plan to me!

At least you won’t be making comments like “I got a new gun for my wife. Did I make a good trade?”

Froggie

OP - Good stuff. My wife and I got out LTC's after moving to TX last year. She used her Ruger (sorry but it was Ruger) SR22 and got a perfect score. Me, on the other hand, said I am using what I would carry sometimes so my G1 S&W shield was used. I had a couple of fliers and well I passed but she loves to rub it in.

.22 LR for carry. It’s what I’m carrying right now. It holds 5.
OP BTW nice shooting. I like your revolver.

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I feel like quoting Joe Biden - "COME ON, MAN!!!"

IIRC, the Army went to the .45 because drug crazed Moro fighters in the Philipines in the Spanish American War often weren't easily stopped, if at all, by the Army's .38 caliber revolvers. So it's no surprise that a heroin laced enemy fighter doesn't go down easily when shot by a 9mm.

And yes, one can argue that being accosted by a drug ridden goblin on the streets of America is a definite risk. Still, the point is, a .22 handgun is still way better than a sharp stick or your hands and killing the goblin is not necessarily the key to the event. Stopping him, slowing him down so you can get away, those are equally good results on the streets of America. A .22 can assist in that endeavor.

Hey, I carry a M649 loaded with quality self defense rounds most days and sometimes a small 9mm, also thus stoked, so I'm not the one totally in love with .22 pistols for self defense. I'm just saying that they're a valid option. YMMV

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Delete. Wrong thread.

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While I wouldn't carry a .22 for self defense nor would I recommend a .22 for self defense, if that is the only sidearm someone has, can afford or can physically handle, it sure beats a pointy stick!

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WAR EAGLE!

My primary carry is a S&W 4" Model 65-1 and or a 2" Model 12-2. Alternate carry is a Ruger EC9s. Way back in the past I shirt-pocket carried a Beretta 950BS .25 ACP as a back up to various revolvers/semi autos from .38 to .44 to .45. I figured if I was down to that it was knuckle-and-skull close and their eye sockets were right there. I also carried a KelTec P32, a S&W Model 37, and a Model 642-2, later on. Our director carried a NAA .22 LR in his shirt pocket as a third gun. I would always encourage someone to carry a "serious fighting gun," but I won't denigrate someone else's choice without knowing the circumstances.

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