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Rimfire has been a staple in my handgun practice over the last couple of months given the recent times. You really can't beat burning up a ten dollar bill or a half a bulk pack at the range with your favorite K22 or model 41.

In turn, I've been keeping my eye out locally for more Smith rimfires. I caught wind of this one yesterday and went to look at it. Inspection checked out, negotiated a price of $450, and brought it home.

After researching the serial (617XX) I think I've pinned down this is a Model 34 no dash, as marked, built on the improved I frame before Smith went to these as J frames. Its a 3 screw, no other serial number markings other than stamped inside the original stocks. I've read a few threads on these (thanks Jim!) And have read that square butts of this variation and time are lesser seen than round butts.

Bottom line is I like it, a lot. It should be a great plinker and field revolver during quail season. Please share your early 34/pre 34 22/32 kit guns if you have them! Safe queens and tackle box guns are both welcome.

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Actually, it isn't. It is an I frame, but it has the "new" I frame of 1953, which replaced the "improved" I frame.

Here are two pictures of one in my collection. It is a Model of 1953 .22/32 Kit Gun with no model number. Serial is in the 32000 range and it shipped in January, 1958.

Top pic shows it with the "banana" target stocks, which are now on my wife's 2" Model 34-1.

In the second picture, the same gun is shown with proper Magna stocks, together with a 4" nickel Model 34-1.


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Model of 1953 with a 4 digit serial number & a Heiser flap holster.
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Here's one with a shorter tube and of the round butt variety, pre model, 5 digit serial.

I didn't know the improved I frame and "new" I frame were two different things. Learning something new everyday here.

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Congratulations. You got yourself a dandy there. For $450, you got a really good deal! I suspect that you will really enjoy it after spending a bit of time with it. I absolutely love mine.

Like yours, it is a square butt, couple years older having left the factory in November 1956. Serial # 23252. Notice the different style flat latch. For me, the factory stocks are just too small to get a good grip on the gun, so I found a nice set of J-frame target stocks to rectify that problem.
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Here is mine with a set of Sambar stag stocks. It shipped in May, 1955. It was near new when I bought it but had a set of Jay Scott faux stag stocks on it. I quickly remedied that with some real ones.
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Here is the Model 34 no dash that I bought for my son a couple of years ago.
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One of my favorites, late 50’s - just before the model 34.

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Here is mine. A I frame, Came to me with almost no finish and a 2" barrel. I stuck on the 4" and got it the way I want it. Yes those stocks are a bit big for it, but my hands are a "bit" big.

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I prefer them shiny and easy to clean.

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SVT28,

That's a real prize and at a great price!

Congrats!

P.S. The .22/32 Kit Gun was introduced after the war as a transitional model: basically a pre war model but with the post war sliding bar hammer block safety. Actually the first safety introduced for the .22/32s, besides the hammer foot rebound feature.

Then the Kit Gun evolution jumped directly to the Model of 1953 NEW I frame 4 screw model. So there were no Improved I frame Kit Guns in either the 1st or 2nd variation, and no 5 screw Kit Guns.
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Very fun guns guys! I'll share a 4" Transitional...





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Always wondered why it took manufacturers so long to realize there was room in the cylinders to make 8 chambers instead of only 6?
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Leave it to you to trump us all.

That transitional Kit Gun is a dandy. Thanks for showing it to us. I don't have any hopes that I'll someday own one, but that would be a real prize in anyone's collection. Just too darn nice!
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Always wondered why it took manufacturers so long to realize there was room in the cylinders to make 8 chambers instead of only 6?
Well, High Standard made the Double Nine a very long time ago. My brother and I bought one for our dad for Christmas sometime in the 1960s (maybe 1965?). Both of them are gone now and the High Standard resides in one of my gun safes.

When I located it after my brother's passing two years ago, it was missing a screw. So I can't shoot it until I find a replacement. When I do, it is going to the range with me!
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Here is the Model 34 no dash that I bought for my son a couple of years ago.
That is a beauty! However it's a Model 34-1, J frame.

I have one like it, where the MOD 34-1 is stamped so close to the rear edge of the frame that the dash 1 was over the edge. Or it was just mis-stamped; I've seen both.

The give away that it's a J frame is the 1/8" longer cyl which is no longer square, and the 1/8" longer frame (horizontally) right in front of the trigger guard.
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I'll share a Pre war 22/32 Kit Gun from 1935 with the less common Patridge silver dot front sight standard on earliest production, and original optional 2 screw extended target stocks:




Sometimes they just aren't made exactly like we want them.
My Model 34 New I frame tinkering using all factory parts:

3 1/2" barrel from a Model 43 Airweight Kit Gun (these barrels were not marked Airweight) replacement for the 4" barrel.
Optional Target .400" trigger.
Pre War double pinch cyl release thumb piece.
Pre War extractor rod 'barrel' knob with notched barrel for improved ergonomics.
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All on the right side below, two Model 1953s, a 2" Mod 34-1, and a Model 34-2 at the bottom:

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I'm very fond of the little Model 34s, but they're difficult to find around here. Pictured is my Model 34-1 with my "BBQ gun holster".

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I have a '75 34-1, chrome plated. After solving some sticky extraction issues it's been a fun one for sure.

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Well, High Standard made the Double Nine a very long time ago. My brother and I bought one for our dad for Christmas sometime in the 1960s (maybe 1965?). Both of them are gone now and the High Standard resides in one of my gun safes.

When I located it after my brother's passing two years ago, it was missing a screw. So I can't shoot it until I find a replacement. When I do, it is going to the range with me!
My first handgun was a High Standard Sentinel Deluxe with snub barrel. Since it was the only handgun I had, it was what I shot for a pretty long time. As circumstances improved, so did my selection of handguns and that old HS got relegated to the back of my gun safe, but when I finally got it out a couple of weeks ago I was pleasantly surprised at how well it still performs. I guess it’s my personal “kit gun.”

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PS to last; What screw was missing, JP@AK? There aren’t that many screws used in the High Standard revolver design. I’m wondering how one would have gotten lost. This may be one case where GPC/Numrich might be a good source... they bought literally tons of “obsolete” High Standard parts years ago.

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The only thing kitgunny that I have is a recent Charter Arms Pathfinder Lite snubby, which seems to shoot shotgun patterns but it's fun and easy to toss in the range bag.
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SB 34, this was my first one.

RB 22/32, came from GB, seller was in Hawaii.

This one showed up at the lgs and was wearing J frame combats. Changed them out to targets.

My last, practically NIB.
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Bought this from my neighbor in the next apartment, after his new wife made him sell it.he had literally just purchased it. 1969 or 1970. I have kept it just like I bought it, even the same raggedy vapor paper..shot very little over the ensuing 50 years.
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"Bought this from my neighbor in the next apartment, after his new wife made him sell it.he had literally just purchased it.

Actions like this always confuse me. Firearm ownership ranks up there with topics like: religious background, pro-choice or not, are we going to have children and how many, etc., when discussing marriage.

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The one that goes through the front of the frame and holds the yoke in place. The yoke actually pivots on it.

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My brother was a meticulous guy for most of his life. An excellent auto mechanic for decades. But toward the end, he got careless about some things. He apparently took the gun apart and then forgot about it. I found it in pieces but never located that screw. Everything else is there.

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Thanks. I was planning to hit Numrich at some point. I suspect the guys there will be able to help. Just have had too many other irons in the fire lately.
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That is a beauty! However it's a Model 34-1, J frame.

I have one like it, where the MOD 34-1 is stamped so close to the rear edge of the frame that the dash 1 was over the edge. Or it was just mis-stamped; I've seen both.

The give away that it's a J frame is the 1/8" longer cyl which is no longer square, and the 1/8" longer frame (horizontally) right in front of the trigger guard.
Yes, I think someone else mentioned this a while back. Here is a photo of the frame. The Serial Number is M68073.
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I always did like the 34 snubby. Saw them in cases but never wanted to put out the money for something I wasn’t sure I could shot. I finally picked up a used one a few years back. I was right I couldn’t shoot it worth beans. Not the gun, me. I remember when I got 4” 34 there was learning curve after shooting K22 for years.
Same thing happed with 4” 422. When you are use to a heavy gun takes awhile to get use to a light one.
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The one that goes through the front of the frame and holds the yoke in place. The yoke actually pivots on it.


My brother was a meticulous guy for most of his life. An excellent auto mechanic for decades. But toward the end, he got careless about some things. He apparently took the gun apart and then forgot about it. I found it in pieces but never located that screw. Everything else is there.


Thanks. I was planning to hit Numrich at some point. I suspect the guys there will be able to help. Just have had too many other irons in the fire lately.
Jack,

I just sent you a PM about this. What you need is actually a plunger called a link pivot. There is a spring behind it that you may need as well, that not only puts tension on the pivot but also on what they called the cylinder lock. I thought I remembered pushing in the plunger then just sliding the crane out to disassemble. As you are no doubt aware most if not all of the HS revolvers were built on the same central frame design. It appears that there were only two variations (by size) of this plunger and spring, so you’ll just have to order by Model #.

Just to avoid being accused of thread drift, this little nine shooter fits the definition of “kit gun” about as well as any... and it’s just a tad larger than a J frame.

Send me a PM if you wish to discuss further.
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I know we are a group of collectors but,,,
One of my idiosyncrasies is both "kit guns" and model 28 HPs look better to me with a fair amount of wear on them . They deserve the respect of being carried into the questionable circumstances they were designed for . I'm fine with all other models being pristinely preserved but these little dudes ought to be out ,living the life ,,,, and showing it.

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Yup,,, some not so pretty mod 28 around here too.
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I know we are a group of collectors but,,,
One of my idiosyncrasies is both "kit guns" and model 28 HPs look better to me with a fair amount of wear on them . They deserve the respect of being carried into the questionable circumstances they were designed for . I'm fine with all other models being pristinely preserved but these little dudes ought to be out ,living the life ,,,, and showing it.

A raggedy ole mod.51

Yup,,, some not so pretty mod 28 around here too.
Placing a Model 28 anywhere near the category of “Kit Gun” is like calling Rosie O “petite.” Some things are just too big of a stretch! I guess the well dressed LEO could have the 28 on his hip and a kit gun on his ankle or in his pocket though.

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Since you asked, here's mine. It's proof that these guns are built to be used. Mine has fired many, many thousands of rounds and it still works as intended. This one could be oiled up and have the original grips put back on it, and it would still fetch a good buck at the LGS.
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Here's a Pre Model 43.
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Placing a Model 28 anywhere near the category of “Kit Gun” is like calling Rosie O “petite.” Some things are just too big of a stretch! I guess the well dressed LEO could have the 28 on his hip and a kit gun on his ankle or in his pocket though.

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Rolling eyes,,,,Really ?
Ummmmm, I fear you may have mis-read or mis-interpreted or just not looked at or understood what was said.

The statement was regarding that the two , (yes much different models), to me are the ones that look better when they have attained some wear pertaining to their intended utilitarian use.

Simple as that.

Never implied or strrrreeeeccched that they were the same category gun.

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Here is an exceptional rarity. It's a transitional kit gun, with the frame being made before WWII, but not completed and shipped until 1951. It was shipped to an individual in New York state. It has both pre-war and post-war parts. Only about 25 of these are known to exist. That's not a nickel finish - it's a high polish blue - originally shipped that way.

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Rolling eyes,,,,Really ?
Ummmmm, I fear you may have mis-read or mis-interpreted or just not looked at or understood what was said.

The statement was regarding that the two , (yes much different models), to me are the ones that look better when they have attained some wear pertaining to their intended utilitarian use.

Simple as that.

Never implied or strrrreeeeccched that they were the same category gun.
Probably read too fast, but I really wanted to use the Rosie comparison! Mea culpa.

BTW, most of my Smiths tend to land in one of two categories also, the really nice ones and the ones I actually carry and shoot which, like yours, tend to show their love!

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