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I have a S&W model 36-1 revolver with box chambered in .38 S&W Special. It's a J-frame? Serial number is J903910. Does anyone have any idea when this revolver was made or shipped? Paperwork call's it a "Chiefs Special". Great shape, and minimal wear, small ammount on muzzle and front of cylinder.
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You got a winner.

It's a heavy barrel 3" from the end of 1981.
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Welcome aboard from ol' Wyo.

Hmmm, Jim, my database suggests July '82.

Does it have a pinned barrel?

Is it blue or nickel?
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I'm sure your 36 database is more comprehensive that mine.
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I once had a chance to get one of these 3" chief's specials from a guy I worked with. He was selling it for someone else. My dad had a friend who was a Lt. on a local police force. I asked my dad to see if his freind could check the serial number for me...His friend called back and asked, " where did you get that number?" Turned out it had been stolen from a PD evidence room by a kid who was doing customer service time. Damned near burned my fingers on that one. Told my friend he'd better take it back from whence it came.
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My EDC is a Model 637-2 because of the +P rating and ease of maintenance. With that said when at the range, I am actually "better" meaning accuracy at 7 & 10 yards, recovery of target acquisition, recoil management, all in DA for sure with my Model 36-1 (1976).

I'm sure that results are due to longer and heavier barrel, longer sight radius, difference in grips (combats vs target). Relatively "quick" reloads via Bianchi Speed Strips are a tad easier in the 36-1 than the 637 so yea.........I have seriously considered the 36-1 for EDC, but have yet to find some decent OWB leather for it. Still looking.

Enjoy yours..they are really great guns for range or carry. PS: KEEP that box.....they are getting to be big bucks themselves when matching the gun if you ever want to sell.
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... It's a J-frame? ... Paperwork call's it a "Chiefs Special".
Going back to the original post, Yes, Sh0ot15T, it's a J-frame.

According to S&W Historian Roy Jinks, in his book, History of Smith & Wesson, S&W launched Model 36-1 in 1967 to denote a 3" Heavy Barrel. S&W concurrently made the Model 36 with “lightweight” 2” and 3” barrels till 1975 when Model 36-1 became the standard 3”, and Model 36 continued solely as a 2”.

Models 36 and 36-1 were replaced in 1988 by Models 36-2 and 36-3, respectively.

Now, about that name.

According to Jinks, in 1949 S&W's president, Carl Hellstrom, tasked the company's engineering department to build a .38 Special 5-shot revolver for police work. The J-frame was born. S&W’s “Order of 10-23-50” says “MODEL J BLUE Ser. #6,” the first J-frame completed, according to Jinks, was delivered to C.R. Hellstrom on October 27, 1950. (1)

Weeks earlier the 57th annual International Association of Chiefs of Police conference convened October 7-12, 1950, in Colorado Springs, Colorado. (2) Jinks said S&W sent a sales force to ask the chiefs to name its new, small, J-frame revolver. Passaic, New Jersey, Chief of Police Edward Boyko submitted the first ballot with the winning name: Chiefs Special. (3)

S&W added its usual caliber prefix, engraved Chief Boyko’s name on .38 Chiefs Special serial number 29, and shipped the Baby Chiefs, as they’re known by today's collectors, to him on December 11, 1950. Boyko's was one of only 19 Chiefs Specials shipped in 1950. (4)

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(1) Bill Cross, chairman of the Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation and past president of the Smith & Wesson Collectors Association, provided the copy of S&W’s order for serial number 6.

(2) Danielle Gudakunst, Managing Editor, The Police Chief, International Association of Chiefs of Police, provided the date of the 1950 IACP conference.

(3) Danielle sent an ad S&W had taken out in The Police Chief magazine in late 1950 that details Chief Boyko’s winning the “name the J-frame” challenge. The ad is attached as a pdf.

(4) The Smith & Wesson Collectors Association area on the Smith & Wesson Forum contains a database listing the disposition (if known) of the first 75 and other Baby Chiefs.

This is excerpted from a story I'm writing to document the history of the Chiefs Special.

First two photos are of .38 Chiefs Special serial number 72, which might have been very similar to the appearance of Chief Boyko's revolver (bright blue finish, original thumb piece, service grips, half-round front sight, and smooth trigger). The inscription is "F.M. Van Orden." Flora and her husband George owned Evaluators Limited gun shop in Triangle, Virginia. S&W gave serial number 70 to George.

There's much speculation about the first hundred Chiefs. One myth says the finish of all hundred was bright blue, the thumbpiece was that original one, and the grips were all service stocks.

Well, serial number 99 has the era's standard satin blue finish, the first style flat latch thumbpiece, and magna grips.

We'll likely never know the whole story.
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It's a 3" barrel, and blued.
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Got it, thanks.

Is there a pin that goes through the frame to secure the barrel (like photo 1), or is there no pin (like photo 2)?

S&W eliminated the pinned barrel right around your Chiefs serial number. I'm trying to refine my database to reflect ones with and without the pin. That's why I'm curious.
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" Great shape, and minimal wear, small ammount on muzzle and front of cylinder. "

We would be happy the see and verify the condition if you would grace us with photographs...
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