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Old 10-09-2020, 03:20 PM
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I've been on the lookout for a nice pencil barrel model 10 to use as a shooter. I never really planned on looking for a pre-model 10 gun as I occasionally shoot plus p and wanted to make sure I had the newest hammer safety design.

Came across this at a local shop, and it was too good to pass up. However I am curious as to what I got, as my 3rd Edition of the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson says this shouldn't exist.

Serial number is C2146xx, which would put it as produced in 1948-1951, but it's got the ramped barrel and newer hammer of guns that started shipping after 1952.

Is this unique enough that I should not be firing it, or can I blast away. The gun is in pristine shape and the grips, frame and cylinder are all serial number matched.

Also, what's with the hole at the bottom of the frame? Never seen that before.

Thanks in advance!
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The frame hole.
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.38 M&P Pre-Model 10 serial C151961 was shipped in February 1952. Pre-Model 10 serial C271552 was shipped in December 1953. I think there is a good chance yours shipped in late 1952 or early 1953.


The hole in the frame IIRC was for the blueing tank jig. The frames were hung on that before dunking. Or rather, put in the gas for Carbonia bluing at the time.
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.38 M&P Pre-Model 10 serial C151961 was shipped in February 1952. Pre-Model 10 serial C271552 was shipped in December 1953. I think there is a good chance yours shipped in late 1952 or early 1953.


The hole in the frame IIRC was for the blueing tank jig. The frames were hung on that before dunking. Or rather, put in the gas for Carbonia bluing at the time.
Thanks for the info! So what I'm hearing is: shoot away!
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Yeah. I'd shoot it.
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Guy gave you good information.

C218272, which is fairly close to your serial number, shipped in September, 1952. But serial numbers and ship dates jump around quite a bit. Guy stated that C151961 shipped in February 1952, but C151763 shipped in April, 1951. And my wife owns C150035, which shipped in February, 1951. So, without Dr. Jinks checking the records, we really don't know when yours left Springfield.

What is interesting is the stocks on yours. They have the tapered shoulder, which started showing up in late 1952 and were standard by 1953. I'd like to know if the number stamped into the wood on the inside of the right hand panel matches the number on the butt of the gun. If so, those Magnas are original to the gun. I believe that would be one of the lowest serial numbers I've found with that style of stocks.

The jig hole starts showing up in the very late 1940s. It seems to have passed out of use sometime in the mid-1950s.

Your hammer is the normal "High Speed" hammer that first appeared in March, 1948. Nothing unusual about it on an early 1950s M&P.

The ramp front sight started in the early 1950s. The half moon sight lasted longer on the 2" guns, so that may be what has you confused.
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Guy gave you good information.

C218272, which is fairly close to your serial number, shipped in September, 1952. But serial numbers and ship dates jump around quite a bit. Guy stated that C151961 shipped in February 1952, but C151763 shipped in April, 1951. And my wife owns C150035, which shipped in February, 1951. So, without Dr. Jinks checking the records, we really don't know when yours left Springfield.

What is interesting is the stocks on yours. They have the tapered shoulder, which started showing up in late 1952 and were standard by 1953. I'd like to know if the number stamped into the wood on the inside of the right hand panel matches the number on the butt of the gun. If so, those Magnas are original to the gun. I believe that would be one of the lowest serial numbers I've found with that style of stocks.

The jig hole starts showing up in the very late 1940s. It seems to have passed out of use sometime in the mid-1950s.

Your hammer is the normal "High Speed" hammer that first appeared in March, 1948. Nothing unusual about it on an early 1950s M&P.

The ramp front sight started in the early 1950s. The half moon sight lasted longer on the 2" guns, so that may be what has you confused.
Numbers match on the barrel, frame, cylinder and grips, hopefully the pictures show that.

Thanks for the info!
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To answer one of your questions, you should be fine for occasional.38 Special +P usage.

Thanks for sharing your pre 10.
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Thanks all! The grips are safely stored away and the gun will hit the range soon.
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