Who Made These Grips? < Grip Guys?

handejector · #1 10-11-2020, 10:37 PM

Absolutely first class work and finishing.

The escutcheons and screw are almost certainly Factory, but they could be bought.

4-Screw · #2 10-11-2020, 10:45 PM

Beautiful....made for a RH shooter....love the bookmatching at the bottom.

Thanks for sharing.

Toyman · #3 10-12-2020, 04:49 PM

The look very professional done could they be from Griffin and Howe?
I have heard they had special grips available in the day.

H Richard · #4 10-12-2020, 06:53 PM

Who ever made than was a very talented individual.

handejector · #5 10-12-2020, 08:35 PM

Grip collectors, where are ya?

Flygas · #6 10-12-2020, 08:45 PM

I’m interested, Lee. Put a price on them.

paplinker · #7 10-12-2020, 09:15 PM

They look really well made.

It is curious they checked only one side instead of making them being ambidextrous.

Also interesting they screw in from the right grip. Most I see are from the left.

Third,the lack of the fifth screw indent and what I mentioned above makes me think they are maybe from the 70s era.

handejector · #8 10-15-2020, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by paplinker

Third,the lack of the fifth screw indent and what I mentioned above makes me think they are maybe from the 70s era.

The flat screw appears on the later Transition guns from the late 40s.
Also, the Masterpieces had a flat screw from the beginning as I recall. The K-22 they are shown on is from 1948.
So, these grips could date from the late 40s.

Hondo44 · #9 10-15-2020, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by paplinker

Third,the lack of the fifth screw indent and what I mentioned above makes me think they are maybe from the 70s era.

The 5th screw is the bug screw at the top of the side plate because it was eliminated first on K and N frames only. The 4th screw is the one at the front of the trigger; eliminated next. So the hidden screw, eventually with a flat cap, can be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd screw, your choice. "First" screw is the most logical.

JP@AK · #10 10-15-2020, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondo44

So the hidden screw, eventually with a flat cap, can be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd screw, your choice. "First" screw is the most logical.

This is a strange issue; funny, one might say.

We usually think of the top sideplate screw as the "fifth" screw. But that is because it was the first one eliminated, in c. 1956.

On the other end of the spoon is the order in which they were added. Until 1905, K frames had only four frame screws (N frames did not exist until a few years later). All four were in the sideplate. In 1905, the cylinder stop plunger retaining screw was added, in the front of the trigger guard. So, in the sequence of development, THAT was the fifth screw. It was not eliminated until the early 1960s, by which time it was the fourth screw.

Hondo44 · #11 10-15-2020, 09:33 PM

The N frame also had a very brief interlude wih 4 screws. Serial #2 comes to mind. And it's a little weird. The prototypes were 5 screws, then there's a small batch or first production w/o the trigger guard screw, followed by 5 screws for the duration of production. Go figure!

Club Gun Fan · #12 10-15-2020, 09:46 PM

My K22 Club Gun has a pair of special made stocks that letter as being done by Gagne. Gun shipped December 9, 1953. They would look fabulous on one of my Club Guns.

handejector · #13 10-15-2020, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by paplinker

Third,the lack of the fifth screw indent and what I mentioned above makes me think they are maybe from the 70s era.

The 5th screw is the bug screw at the top of the side plate because it was eliminated first on K and N frames only. The 4th screw is the one at the front of the trigger; eliminated next. So the hidden screw, eventually with a flat cap, can be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd screw, your choice. "First" screw is the most logical.

I think we all knew which screw he meant since the one under the grips is the only one relevant to the discussion.
Morons, imbeciles, and the sharper idiots got it, but thanks for never missing a chance to wax philosophical on the most trivial of minutiae.

Got any help on the grips for me?

Hondo44 · #14 10-16-2020, 01:17 AM

Oh you're very welcome. But I'm humbled by your elevation of my philosophical and waxing abilities way beyond that which is deserved. You can always depend on me to attempt to anticipate anything that might leave our less senior members with potential confusion. Not about which screw was involved, as you posted that was clear to...um....I'll say the most casual reader, but rather the screw's #.

I'm not a "lumber collector" as they say, so sorry to post that I can't help with your grip question. If you're stumped, who am I to know more? Those are reminiscent of others I've seen on this forum, particularly with just the strong side checkered/checked. But if the name comes to me, you'll be the first to know.

Club Gun Fan · #15 10-16-2020, 10:16 AM

Lee, did you not read my post? I said I think Al Gagne!
If your sellin, I'm buyin.

weatherby · #16 10-16-2020, 10:22 AM

I think the set here has some similarities.

Odd N frame grips....I've seen similar...any idea of maker ?

sceva · #17 10-16-2020, 10:45 AM

Been watching to see if there is a concession on the maker.

They're beautiful Lee. I didn't see where it's said but they appear to be N-frame; are they?

If K and I had a set like them I'd be tempted to put them on my 1952 K-22 instead of the gorgeous Culina Magna's I have on it

handejector · #18 10-16-2020, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sceva

I didn't see where it's said but they appear to be N-frame; are they?

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Originally Posted by handejector

The K-22 they are shown on is from 1948.

Definitely K Frame.

handejector · #19 10-16-2020, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Club Gun Fan

Lee, did you not read my post? I said I think Al Gagne!
If your sellin, I'm buyin.

Thanks, Don, but I do not see any similarity to Al's work.

kwill1911 · #20 10-16-2020, 03:35 PM

They look like early Cloyce to me.

handejector · #21 10-16-2020, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kwill1911

They look like early Cloyce to me.

Kevin,
Please expand on that a bit. I'm not familiar with Cloyce.

kwill1911 · #22 10-16-2020, 05:40 PM

CLOYCE?

Cloyce Cascade grip catalog - show yours - add history

handejector · #23 10-23-2020, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by weatherby

I think the set here has some similarities.

Odd N frame grips....I've seen similar...any idea of maker ?

While they have a similar shape at top, I don't think they have a common maker. The checkering, treatment at screw hole, and finish are very different.

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Originally Posted by kwill1911

CLOYCE?

Cloyce Cascade grip catalog - show yours - add history

I looked through all the Cloyce threads. I don't think they are Cloyce. Again, finish and checkering are very different, not to mention no similar style seen in the Cloyce pics.

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Originally Posted by Toyman

The look very professional done could they be from Griffin and Howe?
I have heard they had special grips available in the day.

I actually had the same thought when I posted this. Many years ago, and I can't remember when or where, I saw an old S&W that was wearing grips by G&H. They were KNOWN to be G&H because the gun came from the original owner and he had had the grips made by G&H. The checkering and finish were very similar.
Has anyone else ever seen G&H grips?

THANKS to all who helped!

Club Gun Fan · #24 10-23-2020, 12:41 PM

Cloyce. Wasn't she in "Silence of the lambs"?

Wiregrassguy · #25 10-23-2020, 12:52 PM

Those are awesome grips, Lee!

kwill1911 · #26 10-23-2020, 01:15 PM

G&H grips are usually mistaken for Roper's:

daddio202 · #27 10-23-2020, 01:39 PM

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G&H grips are usually mistaken for Roper's:

BINGO!!! I think we have a winner. The style in the ad at the top of the grips look identical.

diecidecimi · #28 10-25-2020, 11:52 AM

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The style in the ad at the top of the grips look identical.

To me, they are VERY different.....

Modified · #29 10-25-2020, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by handejector

Grip collectors, where are ya?

Quiet because those are clearly post-war, and I really don't know a whole lot about post war work outside of Cloyce (of whom I am a huge fan). These are of course not Cloyce, for certain.

Awesome set though, I love them.

kwill1911 · #30 10-26-2020, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by diecidecimi

To me, they are VERY different.....

Same here. By posting the ad I thought I was eliminating G&H as a possible maker.