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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Old 10-30-2020, 12:16 AM
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Hello all, proud to say that I believe I am the third generation to have the pleasure to shoot this pistol. It was my grandfather's and then my father's after him. Curious about how old it is. I am assuming it is post 1957, though I am not sure when it was manufactured (shipped rather). Here is why:
  • Cylinder swings to the side
  • Model number behind yolk 1064
  • Serial number on underside of barrel B 230xxx
  • Serial number on butt 230xxx
  • Plastic grips
  • 4 inch barrel

Glad to be here and share this with you all! Looking forward to any info you can share.

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Old 10-30-2020, 12:20 AM
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Haha, we have some fantastic sleuths that will blow my knowledge out of the water. With that said however, Iíll be the first to suggest that this S&W is pre-1915 and not post-1957.
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... Iíll be the first to suggest that this S&W is pre-1915 and not post-1957.
And Iíll be the second. In fact the serial puts manufacture pretty likely into 1914. You write 203-, but the butt shows 230-.

At the time, you have a choice of calling it a Military & Police, Model 1905 round-butt, or more commonly, a Model 1902.

The grips arenít plastic, but hard rubber, by the way.


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Yes. My consolidated list doesn't show many in that range, but a pure guess would put it around 1913-14.

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Model number behind yolk 1064
There are no eggs on this gun. It is a yoke. But, at least you didn't all it a "crane" (which is Colt's nomenclature).

And that number was used during assembly and doesn't tell you much now (nothing, in fact, about the age or model of the gun).

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Serial number on underside of barrel B 203xxx
The B means it left the factory with a blue finish.

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Nope. They are hard rubber. Plastic wasn't even invented yet in 1913.
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What a nice family heirloom. I hope you take good care of it and pass it
on down to a 4th generation. Called Military and Police at the time, when
S&W went to model numbers it became Model 10. It has been in S&W's
catalog ever since 1899. Perhaps the most popular model they ever made.
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Wow guys, thanks for moving my post, and thank you for the info! Shows you how off I was at dating this. To say that I am pleasantly surprised would be an understatement.

Dad always called it grandpa's gun, now I'm starting to believe he meant his grandpa. Either way, my Grandfather went to Europe during WWII, I am curious if this would have been an option as a personal sidearm at the time? Dad is still around, I will need to see if I can get some more information.

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And Iíll be the second. In fact the serial puts manufacture pretty likely into 1914. You write 203-, but the butt shows 230-.

At the time, you have a choice of calling it a Military & Police, Model 1905 round-butt, or more commonly, a Model 1902.

The grips arenít plastic, but hard rubber, by the way.


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Thanks Absalom, good catch, I have fixed my post.
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Wow guys, thanks for moving my post, and thank you for the info! Shows you how off I was at dating this. To say that I am pleasantly surprised would be an understatement.

Dad always called it grandpa's gun, now I'm starting to believe he meant his grandpa. Either way, my Grandfather went to Europe during WWII, I am curious if this would have been an option as a personal sidearm at the time? Dad is still around, I will need to see if I can get some more information.
Today's US military forbids personal sidearms. In WW II many guys packed an unauthorized handgun under a coat. But your revolver was not a military issue weapon. At best it's possible it was carried into harm's way but no way to know for sure without testimony.
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Either way, my Grandfather went to Europe during WWII, I am curious if this would have been an option as a personal sidearm at the time?....
As Art Doc says, itís theoretically possible, but also highly improbable, especially since this revolver (as a gun as such and by caliber) had nothing preferable over what Uncle Sam had on offer in terms of handguns. Europe also wasnít the kind of theater where GIís felt compelled to be armed all the time even off duty because the natives or insurgents might try to kill them.

I read a memoir by a tanker some time ago who went through the last year of the war without any personal weapon; he lost his when his first tank sank off Omaha Beach, and never bothered to acquire replacements since his job was to drive his Sherman, not shoot at Germans. As handgun aficionados, our perspective is sometimes a bit skewed
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As Art Doc says, itís theoretically possible, but also highly improbable, especially since this revolver (as a gun as such and by caliber) had nothing preferable over what Uncle Sam had on offer in terms of handguns. Europe also wasnít the kind of theater where GIís felt compelled to be armed all the time even off duty because the natives or insurgents might try to kill them.

I read a memoir by a tanker some time ago who went through the last year of the war without any personal weapon; he lost his when his first tank sank off Omaha Beach, and never bothered to acquire replacements since his job was to drive his Sherman, not shoot at Germans. As handgun aficionados, our perspective is sometimes a bit skewed
Very unusual. Most soldiers wanted guns. Mother had a repairman out to fix an appliance when I was about 12. He was in a Sherman crew and said all wore .45's and all also had German pistols worn concealed to avoid attracting sniper attention.

Askins carried personal pistols, as did Patton. Donald Burgett wore a nickel .45 from his dad, as a paratrooper. Some B-17 gunner shot down a ME-109 with a .38 that probably wasn't issued.
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"Some B-17 gunner shot down a ME-109 with a .38 that probably wasn't issued."

My , that's a million to one shot. Where can I learn more about that event?
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OP / Jon22 ,

I have a strong affinity for patine - your inherited revolver has been well used AND well cared for over the many years , resulting in that fine , even wear and beautifully aged finish.

Very nice firearm , and congratulations on your good fortune.
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"Some B-17 gunner shot down a ME-109 with a .38 that probably wasn't issued."

My , that's a million to one shot. Where can I learn more about that event?


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