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Old 11-03-2020, 10:37 AM
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I have a S&W hand ejector revolver, I think it is a pre model 10. It is a 38 S&W SPL CTG 2" with serial # C 165371. It is blue with original grips, half moon front sight, frame groove rear sight.
Please let me know if I am correct, I am looking for year of manufacture and approximate value and any other information.
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i'll go out on a limb and say 1951ish. someone with a database will be along with a close guess. Lee
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In my area, one very similar to this (1952 vintage 2 in similar condition with original grips) sold 2 years go for $425. Hope this helps.
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.38 M&P Pre-Model 10 serial C151961 was shipped in February 1952. But, .38 M&P Pre-Model 10 serial C156210 was shipped in March 1951. Which just illustrates that S&W did NOT ship in SN order. When JP@AK wakes up and votes, maybe his database is more precise.


I think the previous poster is pretty close on value.
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Very nice pistol. They'd have $499 on it at the LGS's around here . . .
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Very nice pistol. I'd take the stocks off and see if the serial number is memorialized on the back. They'd have $499 on it at the LGS's around here . . .
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I have C165078 which I think is 1951 but don't have a letter. Paid $432 for it but that was six years ago. Wouldn't expect to find it where I shop now for less than $500; likely would be $599 and negotiated from there. Enjoy.

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I have C168xxx, 2" which shipped Apr 1952, so I would also guess mid 1951.

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The closest one on my list shipped in March, 1951. But, as Guy noted, they did not ship in serial order, so you can easily have a few months leeway in either direction.
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Mine is C150035 and shipped in Feb 1951

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Yea, this really illustrates S&W's habit of not shipping in SN sequence. Not even close. My 2" SB, C188067 shipped July 6, 1951 to Sharp Horsey Hardware, right here in hot lanta.
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I have 2" Pre-10 C124xxx shipped 8/14/50 - a month before I was born. Lettered. The serial numbers are all over the map. Letters are the only way to make sure.
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Welcome to the forum.
That is a fine revolver , very classy.
Please consider calling your revolver a Military and Police , or M&P , because that's what it is.

I lucked out on this S prefix , 1947 , last year. Set me back about $470.
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The closest 2" M&P I have listed to your C165371 is C16888x which shipped in 4/52. While any M&P snubby in higher condition is desirable and will command a premium price vs. a contemporary M&P having a longer barrel, those few snubbies which were made prior to WWII can be very valuable, while postwar (long action) examples in the S series are generally more desirable than C series snubbies.

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Please consider calling your revolver a Military and Police , or M&P , because that's what it is.

I lucked out on this S prefix , 1947 , last year. Set me back about $470.
Good call. A pistol is a semi-auto and a wheel gun, a revolver. At least that's what we were taught in the Marine Corps. Just saying. Big Larry
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Good call. A pistol is a semi-auto and a wheel gun, a revolver. At least that's what we were taught in the Marine Corps. Just saying. Big Larry
Way back when, Sam Colt advertised his handguns as "pistols." And of course there are also single shot pistols of many designs, they don't have to be semiauto.
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Good call. A pistol is a semi-auto and a wheel gun, a revolver. At least that's what we were taught in the Marine Corps. Just saying. Big Larry
I have that habit too........even though my grandfather loved to call them both "pistolas".

I think I do it simply to keep folks from correcting me as they see fit, but to be honest I tend to call most anything that goes bang a gun, and all ships are boats to me. At a young age various soda pops were simply "Cokes". (I might have done the ship/boat thing just to annoy the Navy folk while on "boat" deployment. )

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Interestingly, Sturm, Ruger always listed their semi-autos as "pistols" and their wheel guns as "revolvers." They still do.

If you contemplate the history a bit, you realize that handguns of the muzzle-loading, black powder variety were mostly single shots (with some obvious exceptions) and were routinely called "pistols." So, the early revolvers tended to get that moniker as well. When auto-loaders came along in the late 1800s, they were called "pistols" also. The revolvers gradually earned the right to be called by their description (they had revolving cylinders) and the auto-loaders retained the "pistol" name. almost exclusively. It seems this was particularly true in the military.

None of this really "proves" anything. I just find it interesting, from an historical perspective.
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to be honest . . . all ships are boats to me.
I didn't serve in the Navy, but a submarine is a boat. All the other warships are ships.
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Another vote for boat. Swabbies live on boats. Their mascot is a goat because it rhymes with boat. Trust me.
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Leave it to a Leather Neck to come up with that!
Just remember, the best Marine is a Submarine! LOL!
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I didn't serve in the Navy, but a submarine is a boat. All the other warships are ships.
We actually had a decent sized boat setting on the flight deck of the USS Wasp (LHD-1) on one of our deployments that could be set over the side and used for going ashore, or for other various purposes. It weren't no teeny-tiny boat mind you, but a boat none-the-less.................or so the Navy fellas would point out when I called the Wasp a boat instead of a ship! (Purely accidental of course.)
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Just remember, the best Marine is a Submarine! LOL!
I seem to remember a really good joke about submarines..........and Seamen. Probably best not to tell it here!

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To a submariner, my ship is a boat. Anything floating on the surface is a target.
How right you are.

While were on deployment, underway to some undisclosed location, the decision was made to take an aerial photo of all the vessels that were part of our group.

For the briefest of moments the submarines attached to our group surfaced just long enough for the pics to be taken and then slipped silently away.

It was rather eerie to watch happen, but fortunately enough we were given a quick heads-up by the Navy as to what to look for.

It was rather comforting to know they were out there watching our 12 and our 6.........as well as our 3 and 9.

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They didn't call us The Silent Service for nothing. Check YouTube for the TV series.

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I have that habit too........ and all ships are boats to me.... (I might have done the ship/boat thing just to annoy the Navy folk while on "boat" deployment. )

I know, there's simply no hope for me now.

Did you thank them for the ride?
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Of course, just as we always politely thanked our taxi drivers........

We Marines aren't a bunch of brutes ya know. Nothin' but the upper crust of society to say the least.

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Isn't some Coast Guard saying that if you are on anything over 40 feet long then you aren't crew you are a passenger :-)
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One of my favorites, along with every submarine flick ever produced, anywhere...I once stopped off at Muskogee War Memorial Park in Oklahoma to visit the USS Batfish...From their website:
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I was also unable to board, but for a different reason...I had paid the fare for my tour of the boat, but when it came time to descend the ladder into the depths I couldn't make my feet move while looking down into the below decks area...It seems a long-suppressed fear of tiny places had surfaced in my brain, and there was no way I was going down there...The volunteer crew offered to refund my ticket fee, but I told them to just keep it as a donation...My landlubber's hat is off to anyone who ever served in those cramped quarters...

At the Nimitz War Museum (now the National Museum of the Pacific War) I was amazed at the tiny size of the captured Japanese midget submarine on display there...They would have had to shoot me and carry my lifeless body aboard to get me in there......Ben
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Never make the mistake of calling it a boat in the presence of the Skipper, heard more than one CO say, loud and sarcastic,

Lets call it a ship, shall we!

Go to sea, drink coffee, deploy Marines...Repeat. 😎

Im vertically challenged, tried to join the Coast Guard but they told me I had to be 6 tall, in case my ship sank I could wade back to shore without getting my hair wet.
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Lets call it a ship, shall we!

Go to sea, drink coffee, deploy Marines...Repeat. 😎

Im vertically challenged, tried to join the Coast Guard but they told me I had to be 6 tall, in case my ship sank I could wade back to shore without getting my hair wet.
With all due respect, that place in Groton CT isn't called Electric Ship. Every sailor I've ever spoken with all refer to all the subs as "boats". I'm a Plank Owner on USS Springfield. At the commissioning, in New London, CT, the Admiral referred to it as a boat.
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With all due respect, that place in Groton CT isn't called Electric Ship. Every sailor I've ever spoken with all refer to all the subs as "boats". I'm a Plank Owner on USS Springfield. At the commissioning, in New London, CT, the Admiral referred to it as a boat.
Absolutely, no argument there, Submarines are Boats.

Maybe because there is something inherently wrong with a Ship thats designed to sink? 😁
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Sheesh. Talk about thread drift. I had to to read the whole old thread to discover where it stopped being about a 2“ M&P.

But while you guys debate the terminology of iron coffins versus floating bathtubs, I think I‘ll just dig myself a nice foxhole
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I paid $422 for my Model 10 ND in 2019. It shipped 9/59.



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Would the 2" barrel of the topic of this thread be ideal in the confined passageways of a submersible boat? Now that were back on topic, shouldn't its stocks be flat bottom high horn Magnas?

Oh, I paid a little over $300 for my excellent condition 1950 2" M&P. So what? We don't have a time machine. The further back in time you go the smaller the percentage of production got 2" barrels. Consequently, the price difference between an early 1950s snub and the same year 4" should be greater than the difference between 1960s or 1970s PISTOLS.

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Now that were back on topic, shouldn't its stocks be flat bottom high horn Magnas?

If you are referring to Mike's Model 10 snubby, no. High horn magnas were never put on M&P's. If you mean "sharp shouldered magnas," again, no. The sharp shouldered magnas were phased out around 1953 or so for the more rounded horn. PC magnas were also introduced around that time that also had rounded bottoms for less interference with clothing.
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I was referring to the snub owned by the original poster, John. High horn v. sharp shoulder? I do not know the difference. I'd have sworn my roughly 1950 2" M&P has one or the other and its stocks are numbered to the gun. The stocks on mine look like the stocks on 22hipower's 2" 1951 pistol pictured in reply #8. The stocks on John's pistol have rounded bottom edges and the tops of their horns are too rounded. I doubt they number to the gun.

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High horn magnas were stocks used on the Model 40 and 42. Sharp shouldered magnas are like those stocks in post #8 by 22hipower. The OP says the stocks are original and was asked if they numbered to the gun but never replied. They are PC magnas which might have been available on his gun depending on when it shipped. I think it is likely they are replacements.
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I think we have just a bit of a terminology misplacement.

The term “high horn” is a dedicated term for the style of upward-extended stocks used on the J-frame Centennial series.

It is not applicable to any K-frame style at any time. As Guy says, the only difference that matters in this gun’s timeframe is the distinction between the sharp-shoulder magnas and the later more rounded shoulder.
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Similar one sold around here sold for $475 with the box .
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Seeing K PC magnas and Groton, CT in the same thread kinda' had me spooked for a minute. Mostly the Groton part.
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