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I have a S&W Victory model that has been destroyed by crushing. The serial number is V 20570. The revolver is marked US Navy. I would like to know when it was made and who crushed this revolver.
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Welcome to The Forum from the Wiregrass! It was made in 1942 and who knows who crushed it.

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The serial number points to 1942 manufacture. I don't know of a crushing policy for Victory revolvers, but I suppose an armorer might have ordered it destroyed if it had been damaged and was not worth rebuilding. Or it could have been crushed after a gun buy-back or turn-in sometime in the last 20 years. Many possible explanations, but no controlling evidence.

Ah, Guy got in first, but at least you got the same story twice.
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There is one on the wall of a gunshop in Meadville. Progressive politicians and chiefs hand then out as "trophies".
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Shotgun news had them listed for sale back when.
It was said the the U.S. government did the crushing.
I even wasted some money on one for some reason.......
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Many ex-military issue handguns and rifles were "demilled" by various means. Cutting, welding, breaking into small pieces. A waste of taxpayer dollars and lost history.
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I have seen a few of them. i do believe it was da govment that did the dirty deed. Dumb. i carried one (uncrushed) for six months in the RVN. 4" .38 Spcl. of course.
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99.999% sure Uncle Sam did the deed, they can always buy more if needed again.
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Back some years ago there were news photos from Australia showing large numbers of civilian guns being destroyed by running over them with a paving roller.
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Many thousands of US military handguns were crushed and sold as scrap during the 1960's. There were advertisements offering these for a few dollars each, back in the 1960's. Interesting paperweights or conversation pieces. I remember seeing a residential mailbox post made from dozens of S&W revolvers welded together.

By the latter 1960's the military was purchasing many thousands of new S&W M&P revolvers to equip Army and Air Force personnel going to Vietnam.

We used to see standing lamps made from old military rifles, including some original Civil War muskets and Spanish-American War rolling block Remington rifles. Probably Depression Era stuff, when scrap metal had little value and nobody had any money to speak of. Then came WW2 and the scrap metal drives, tons of antiques went into the smelters to meet war demands.

Right here in Pueblo, Colorado during the 1990's there were thousands of surplus M1911A-1 pistols hauled by the truckload to the CF&I steel works and dumped into the blast furnaces, as well as many loads of Thompson submachineguns, all from the Pueblo Army Depot (now Pueblo Depot Activity, located about 8 miles east of town with thousands of acres housing everything from Hitler's personal art collection to chemical munitions from WW1 and WW2 eras).
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I have seen a few of them. i do believe it was da govment that did the dirty deed. Dumb. i carried one (uncrushed) for six months in the RVN. 4" .38 Spcl. of course.
Yes, sir. US Army air crews in Vietnam were regularly armed with S&W .38 Special revolvers, mostly Model 10 and a few Model 12 (Airweight M&P) 4" barrels.

Both Retired W4 and I spent some time with the 1st Aviation Brigade in Vietnam. OP was obviously a chief warrant officer, so probably a helicopter pilot. I was a sergeant in a pathfinder detachment (212th Combat Aviation Battalion, 11th Combat Aviation Group, 1st Aviation Brigade).

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Back some years ago there were news photos from Australia showing large numbers of civilian guns being destroyed by running over them with a paving roller.

Yes, after one of our gun buy-backs. They spent millions of dollars buying back various firearms. Guess what? There's more legally purchased firearms in circulation now than there's every been despite these buy-backs. Lol.
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I saw a photo taken in Japan right after the surrender. US military crushing confiscated swords. A mountain of them.

No doubt a government entity destroyed the revolver.
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I saw a photo taken in Japan right after the surrender. US military crushing confiscated swords. A mountain of them.

No doubt a government entity destroyed the revolver.
Crushing swords would have a huge physiological effect on the Japanese as well.
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Yes, sir. US Army air crews in Vietnam were regularly armed with S&W .38 Special revolvers, mostly Model 10 and a few Model 12 (Airweight M&P) 4" barrels.

Both Retired W4 and I spent some time with the 1st Aviation Brigade in Vietnam. OP was obviously a chief warrant officer, so probably a helicopter pilot. I was a sergeant in a pathfinder detachment (212th Combat Aviation Battalion, 11th Combat Aviation Group, 1st Aviation Brigade).
Yep. I always thought pathfinders and LRRP's were a little crazy, but then we were often known to as Lunatics. My second unit issued M-10's but I've never seen one of those crushed. Maybe the dummy who ordered the crushing had an eye for shinny things.
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The first three pics are of my deactivated/crushed Victory example. It was found at a local gunshow several years ago. I had my young son with me and he somehow convinced me I needed it for my Victory revolver accumulation. (Of course I blame him and not myself!) The seller had $20 on it and in the spirit of horsetrading I haggled him down to $15. It has no markings visible on it's topstrap.

With a little research at the time I found several such examples. Most looked to have had their barrels pinched in a press instead of simply flattened. Typically the cylinders are crushed to a point that also considerably deforms or breaks the topstrap, but if not then additional crushed damage to the frame, especially the triggerguard area, may have been performed.

My example had the cylinder crushed so much that it rendered the frame topstrap severely deformed, and also cracked the frame at the barrel pin. So it's barrel, cylinder, and frame were all 3 destroyed. (It does look as though the thumb latch, mainspring, and lanyard loop may possibly have been salvaged off of my example though.....and hopefully parts of it live on elswhere on a still functioning revolver! )

The last two pics I have attached are from forum member KEN L's crushed (U.S. NAVY TOPSTRAP marked, s/n V198xxx) example in which the barrel and cylinder were destroyed in a somewhat similar fashion as mine, albeit it did not deform/crack the topstrap to their satisfaction so they crushed the triggerguard/trigger as well.

I have seen several more similarly deactivated Victory examples floating around in cyberworld. I'd love to see some actual government/military documentation with regards to the actual/approx number that were deactivated in this manner........but I have yet to see or hear of any such documentation. Maybe one of our Victory data compilation guru's can attest to knowing of such?

I guess paying $15 for the world's coolest paperweight isn't doing too terribly awful.

I wish my example still had it's rusty lanyard loop as I would be temped to display it in a ratty old Victory holster with a spare set of Victory grips installed that that I have laying around.
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I think somebody here has posted this article before. Obviously, the Victory was crushed earlier and less thoroughly than by Captain Crunch, but the concept is the same. The article sounds like the CMP is at Anniston and does pick out restorable items.

'Captain Crunch:' The DoD Gun Muncher That Has Destroyed 1M Firearms | Military.com
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I was assigned as an OSI Agent to Osan AB, ROK in 1972/73. On base was a large salvage yard where all types of equipment went to die. The salvage yard was a target of sneak thieves (Slicky Boys) to steal anything they could. We staked it out several times to discourage their activities. I once found a 55 gallon steel barrel that was about 80% full of cut up S&W revolvers, partial frames, barrels, cylinders etc. IIRC all were fixed sights so probably M-10 or pre M-10. At the time I was unfamiliar with the Victory model but there where probably some in the barrel. I 'rescued' a cylinder that I used for a pencil holder for years. What a waste.
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I was assigned as an OSI Agent to Osan AB, ROK in 1972/73. On base was a large salvage yard where all types of equipment went to die. The salvage yard was a target of sneak thieves (Slicky Boys) to steal anything they could. We staked it out several times to discourage their activities. I once found a 55 gallon steel barrel that was about 80% full of cut up S&W revolvers, partial frames, barrels, cylinders etc. IIRC all were fixed sights so probably M-10 or pre M-10. At the time I was unfamiliar with the Victory model but there where probably some in the barrel. I 'rescued' a cylinder that I used for a pencil holder for years. What a waste.
I can't help but wonder if any of those parts lived on as part of ROK revolver examples?

I say this because I did some military related aviation work (as a civilian contractor) in South Korea about 10 years or so ago. We were modifying some of their aircraft for use in "other international conflicts" which basically meant we were adding new equipment to some of their existing lesser capable aircraft. During the process we would remove many old, no longer serviceable, or incorrectly sized existing parts to be fitted with new ones along the way as deemed needed/required with our installations.

After we realized the South Koreans were digging the old parts, used hardware, partially used consumables, etc., out of the trash we began simply piling them up, no matter what their condition, to make it easier for them. (These were aviation related items we would typically deem no longer serviceable/useable typically here on the U.S. mind you.)

It all made sense when you walked into their restroom in the hangar and realized they were all using the very same (rather dirty) handtowel to dry their hands after washing them! I started bringing my own hand towel from the hotel, and not long after coworkers spotted me doing it they started doing so as well.

Not knocking the Koreans, as it is what it is.........they treated us very well as far as hosts go and they definitely knew how to throw a party in our honor. As a prior service Marine I was extremely impressed with their level of physical fitness and military professionalism......especially considering they were aviation maintenance personnel!

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The first three pics are of my deactivated/crushed Victory example. It was found at a local gunshow several years ago. I had my young son with me and he somehow convinced me I needed it for my Victory revolver accumulation. (Of course I blame him and not myself!) The seller had $20 on it and in the spirit of horsetrading I haggled him down to $15. It has no markings visible on it's topstrap.

With a little research at the time I found several such examples. Most looked to have had their barrels pinched in a press instead of simply flattened. Typically the cylinders are crushed to a point that also considerably deforms or breaks the topstrap, but if not then additional crushed damage to the frame, especially the triggerguard area, may have been performed.

My example had the cylinder crushed so much that it rendered the frame topstrap severely deformed, and also cracked the frame at the barrel pin. So it's barrel, cylinder, and frame were all 3 destroyed. (It does look as though the thumb latch, mainspring, and lanyard loop may possibly have been salvaged off of my example though.....and hopefully parts of it live on elswhere on a still functioning revolver! )

The last two pics I have attached are from another crushed (U.S. NAVY TOPSTRAP marked, s/n V198xxx) example I found online in which the barrel and cylinder were destroyed in a somewhat similar fashion as mine, albeit it did not deform/crack the topstrap to their satisfaction so they crushed the triggerguard/trigger as well.

I have seen several more similarly deactivated Victory examples floating around in cyberworld. I'd love to see some actual government/military documentation with regards to the actual/approx number that were deactivated in this manner........but I have yet to see or hear of any such documentation. Maybe one of our Victory data compilation guru's can attest to knowing of such?

I guess paying $15 for the world's coolest paperweight isn't doing too terribly awful.

I wish my example still had it's rusty lanyard loop as I would be temped to display it in a ratty old Victory holster with a spare set of Victory grips installed that that I have laying around.
The last two pics are my gun. Thanks for posting them They were all a part of a program to demilitarize weapons and turn them into scrap along with various other types of weapons. The only thing missing off of mine were the grips, which were either removed or just crushed. Probably the latter. Iíve added a set of grips and it is usually the center conversation piece of my display at gun shows. People always want to know if it was run over by a tank. My gun was actually crushed in two directions. Side to side and top to bottom. Guess they wanted to make sure. Itís the only one I never have to strap.
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I ain't giving Captain Crunch in Anniston a thumbs up, sorry but I just can't bring myself to do it............
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The last two pics are my gun. Thanks for posting them They were all a part of a program to demilitarize weapons and turn them into scrap along with various other types of weapons. The only thing missing off of mine were the grips, which were either removed or just crushed. Probably the latter. Iíve added a set of grips and it is usually the center conversation piece of my display at gun shows. People always want to know if it was run over by a tank. My gun was actually crushed in two directions. Side to side and top to bottom. Guess they wanted to make sure. Itís the only one I never have to strap.
I have read accounts where they were sold at auction at scrap metal prices and had simply set in barrels, buckets, etc., out in the weather possibly for years. My example certainly looks as though it was in the weather for some time, and the seller stated his father had bought it (likely along with others) at a government auction in the Great Lakes area some time ago. It was the only one that his father had kept, maybe due to the triggerguard not being crushed. (?)

I would be tempted to add several more deactivated examples to the Victory accumulation at relative pricing, if for nothing else to add the serial numbers to my grouping. Probably not for everyone, but I rather enjoy it.

I get the tank question from folks too, and the tall-tale Texan in me really wants to tell the story about a German soldier who acquired it as a battlefield pick up only to get ran over while shooting at a Sherman tank with it...............and the Sherman tank commander who brought it back home in his duffel bag after using it to pistol whip numerous German soldiers who stupidly poked their heads into the tank's turret hatch. (Shhhhhhh if you see me telling this story anywhere else, as it is getting better by the minute!)

Thanks for letting me share your deactivated Victory pics and not being too upset about it. I have added your forum name for proper credit with your example's pics.
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No problem, I always like seeing them again.
That's government mindset for you. Turn something into 25 cents worth of scrap metal (at the time) than to sell it on the civilian market for probably $25, at the time. I've seen a lot of demilled weapons over the years and it seems so sad to me that our government expends so much time, energy and money to destroy perfectly good weapons. Seems like such a costly way to dispose of unwanted materiel. Okay, I'm off my soap box now.
Let's see some other examples of crushed, squashed, torch cut or otherwise deactivated weaponry...........
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Here are some pictures of my crushed Victory Model. Its all there except the side plate and grips. How do I attach pictures?
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Eab, can you provide us a s/n for your deactivated Victory? Does it have a topstrap marking?

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I worked at Rock Island Arsenal (RIA) for about 10 years towards the tail end of the Vietnam war. I had access to most of the RIA manufacturing facility including the foundry. Demil was a big source of steel with huge hoppers of small arms parts that were picked up by an overhead crane and dumped into the furnace. RIA has been a storage facility since the Civil War and some interesting artifacts showed up for demil including old Springfield Trapdoor Rifles which were "saved" by the NRA from the furnace. Of interest was a batch of 100,000 Springfield '03 rifles that had been stored since WWII. There serial numbers had never been placed in the Army computers. It was a massive effort to unpack the crates and ID the serial numbers. These rifles were part of the War Reserve program. They were later shipped to Anniston Depot and I lost track of them. These guns would be priceless artifacts on the shooters market, where ever they are!
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<<I remember seeing a residential mailbox post made from dozens of S&W revolvers welded together.>>

I guess 1 1911 = many revolvers, but it's not clear to me whether this auto is steel or plastic...
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I was going to ask for pictures but after I saw a few I got sick! The Horror!
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There is one on the wall of a gunshop in Meadville. Progressive politicians and chiefs hand then out as "trophies".
Which gun shop? I usually go to Meadville once a year., but it will be next year before I get there due to the present Fun & Games.
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