Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Notices

S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-08-2021, 12:29 AM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy

I've waited a last month for this three digit Baby Chief to get out of Cali gun jail. Picked it up yesterday with a !934 Mauser Navy (M) stamped pistol. I was offered this 1934 at a local show a few years ago but passed. Not exactly my cup of tea, although I do have a few German and nazi marked guns. Got a chance to buy it again and couldn't pass... Very rare!



Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-08-2021, 02:02 AM
moosedog moosedog is online now
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,518
Likes: 7,107
Liked 9,394 Times in 2,418 Posts
Default

Both are great condition guns. Lucky catches.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #3  
Old 01-08-2021, 04:05 AM
RobertJ.'s Avatar
RobertJ. RobertJ. is offline
Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seaside, Oregon
Posts: 5,052
Likes: 18,877
Liked 9,611 Times in 2,875 Posts
Default

That Mauser is beautiful!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #4  
Old 01-08-2021, 10:18 AM
jscheck's Avatar
jscheck jscheck is offline
US Veteran
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Southeast North Carolina
Posts: 904
Likes: 5,826
Liked 1,940 Times in 651 Posts
Default

Very nice! If you haven't already, check out Legacy Collectibles on yout**. Has some interesting items even if his prices are WAY out of my league.
__________________
Wing Nut-USAF and Army vet
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 01-08-2021, 10:49 AM
Heinz Heinz is offline
Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: South Carolina upstate
Posts: 18
Likes: 17
Liked 22 Times in 11 Posts
Default

Nice Smith and Wesson. You might want to enquire about that Mauser 1934 over on the Luger forums LugerForum Discussion Forums.
__________________
Kind regards, Heinz
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #6  
Old 01-08-2021, 10:50 AM
quinn's Avatar
quinn quinn is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 2,826
Likes: 7,877
Liked 8,634 Times in 1,410 Posts
Default

Years ago I had a 1934 Mauser though nowhere as nice. It was incredibly accurate. But, for some reason I let it go. Doubt I will make the same mistake with my "moon baby". Great finds on both.
__________________
Randy
'No Guff' Here
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #7  
Old 01-08-2021, 12:17 PM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz View Post
Nice Smith and Wesson. You might want to enquire about that Mauser 1934 over on the Luger forums LugerForum Discussion Forums.
Thanks for the post.. I am relatively clear on the Mauser as to what it is. Just posted since it came to me with the Smith.. I am mostly a SWCA kind of guy.. The group is more family to me..
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 01-08-2021, 12:24 PM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default

Rock - Thanks for the post. I might - it is an interesting gun given the serial (991). I've been deep into various snubs so it fits my next display when we get back to doing shows.. The fun thing; these gun are like unions very hard to find and at the same time they are super affordable. I don't like talking numbers, but I can say I paid less that I would for a new in box out fo the factory model 36! At least that is the case here in Cali.. BTW - Happy New Year to everyone...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock Climber View Post
Your Baby Chief is gorgeous. Have you done any research on it to see when it was made or shipped?
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #9  
Old 01-08-2021, 01:05 PM
two-bit cowboy's Avatar
two-bit cowboy two-bit cowboy is offline
US Veteran
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: the hills of ol' Wyo
Posts: 4,554
Likes: 9,985
Liked 10,274 Times in 2,994 Posts
Default

Handsome Baby!

Based on other high 3-digit and low 4-digit serial numbered Chiefs, I'd guess yours shipped near the end of 1951, November or December.

We know from a list on the SWCA side of the forum that only 19 .38 Chiefs Specials shipped in 1950. Conjecture, based on the ones in my database, leads me to believe only about 1,600 shipped in 1951, most in the last two months of the year.

For the price you hinted you paid, you should turn yourself in for theft. Congrats!

Most 3-digit sales I've known of in the last couple years have been between $2k and $3k.
__________________
Wrangler of stray Chiefs
Bob
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 01-08-2021, 01:21 PM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default

Thanks for the post Bob.. Great information. Regarding price sometimes as is the case in Cali when we look at specialized or vertically focus guns like this one, a seller has to find the buyer willing to drop cash. The cost for this one is based on the location when it was purchases and regional interest. I'm glad my buy was good within the group, nevertheless in this case it was a fair sell and purchase number maybe a little favoring the buyer. Again in this case the gun was purchased in a package with the 1934 which FTR was not inexpensive relatively speaking. It always levels out.. Signed clyde barrow

Quote:
Originally Posted by two-bit cowboy View Post
Handsome Baby!

Based on other high 3-digit and low 4-digit serial numbered Chiefs, I'd guess yours shipped near the end of 1951, November or December.

We know from a list on the SWCA side of the forum that only 19 .38 Chiefs Specials shipped in 1950. Conjecture, based on the ones in my database, leads me to believe only about 1,600 shipped in 1951, most in the last two months of the year.

For the price you hinted you paid, you should turn yourself in for theft. Congrats!

Most 3-digit sales I've known of in the last couple years have been between $2k and $3k.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #11  
Old 01-08-2021, 01:34 PM
JH1951's Avatar
JH1951 JH1951 is online now
US Veteran
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: South-Central PA
Posts: 2,836
Likes: 13,110
Liked 3,856 Times in 1,369 Posts
Default

Very nice Chiefs Special. The Mauser looks like a great piece as well. Please share some more pictures when you have an opportunity. Somehow the old Chiefs Special models have been migrating to my safe. I am a fan of these to say the least.
As for prices on them, I have recently read that they are depressed. Unfortunately I cannot find any of these depressed prices, and I'm having a tough time adjusting to the new pricing structure.
Congratulations on your purchases! Well done.
__________________
Proud NRA Endowment Member
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 01-08-2021, 01:47 PM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default

Hello JH and thanks for the post.

I try staying curerent with prices more focused when buying. The standard to good condition anything is depressed where the top of the line stuff continues commanding high numbers. My read of a no box baby chief retail should be around 600 to 800 but given our expert here I am low looking at the national numbers. I priced this last one bases on a Baby 1951 four dig that is up for sale this week currently holding at 1k.. Box complete at what I would consider 95++.. We will see where it hammers. Good gun!
Erased




Quote:
Originally Posted by JH1951 View Post
Very nice Chiefs Special. The Mauser looks like a great piece as well. Please share some more pictures when you have an opportunity. Somehow the old Chiefs Special models have been migrating to my safe. I am a fan of these to say the least.
As for prices on them, I have recently read that they are depressed. Unfortunately I cannot find any of these depressed prices, and I'm having a tough time adjusting to the new pricing structure.
Congratulations on your purchases! Well done.

Last edited by bigl1911; 01-08-2021 at 04:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 01-08-2021, 07:10 PM
Walter Rego Walter Rego is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Occupied California
Posts: 2,030
Likes: 920
Liked 3,901 Times in 1,056 Posts
Default

Beautiful guns Bigl1911. The crazy thing I have noticed the last few years is that the correct red boxes for Baby Chiefs often exceed $200 on auction sites like ebay. And they aren't even a particularly attractive box like the gold & blue embossed boxes for the K-22 and K-38 from the same period !
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 01-08-2021, 07:15 PM
JudgeColt JudgeColt is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 383
Likes: 12
Liked 147 Times in 73 Posts
Default

For what it is worth, Chiefs Special 6XX shipped November 9, 1951. It appears to be new and complete in its original box. I paid $425 for it 32 years ago.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 01-08-2021, 07:30 PM
Green Frog Green Frog is offline
Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Central VA
Posts: 6,417
Likes: 853
Liked 5,725 Times in 2,699 Posts
Default

I finally hear a gun story from Kalifornia that's a good one... on this side of the country it seems like folks who buy S&Ws at gun shows know what a Baby Chiefs Special is and are willing to pay accordingly. Getting one at a bargain is like finding a diamond in a pile of ... well you know!

Froggie
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #16  
Old 01-08-2021, 07:52 PM
Model46 Model46 is online now
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 11
Likes: 1
Liked 12 Times in 7 Posts
Default

Deals can be found. I bought my Baby Chief locally this past April. (New England) It's very nice, has a non serrated front sight, original grips and serial # in the 10K range. Condition is 95% or better. No box. The LGS was delighted to sell it to me as they had been sitting on it for a while. Price was less than $500 OTD.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 01-08-2021, 08:18 PM
pasound's Avatar
pasound pasound is offline
Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 780
Likes: 433
Liked 971 Times in 435 Posts
Default

Wow and wow! Last show I went to I saw a 7.65 Mauser but it looked rusted shut. A Baby Chief that nice is so rare...
__________________
Heavily armed old man.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #18  
Old 01-08-2021, 08:56 PM
Heinz Heinz is offline
Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: South Carolina upstate
Posts: 18
Likes: 17
Liked 22 Times in 11 Posts
Default

bigl1911, you may already know this about the Mauser:
There are 3 purchase groups of the 1934 by the Navy, the first group has a Weimar Eagle and no Swaztica, The second group has the Nazi Eagle with the swaztica. I am not sure about the third but I think it is the same as the second with a later group of serial numbers. Your Serial number is mid-range in the second group. On close examination you will probably find the Naval Acceptance mark is pantographed, which would be wrong for most German marks but is right for this one and some few other Navy marks. The Navy supposedly purchased these from regular Mauser production and added the acceptance mark themselves. Fakery is rampant in German pistols, you can buy repro proof stamps on Ebay. But this one looks really good from the photos.
__________________
Kind regards, Heinz
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 01-09-2021, 11:48 AM
dpast32 dpast32 is offline
Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Southern New England
Posts: 123
Likes: 11
Liked 89 Times in 52 Posts
Default

Well, As numerous others have already stated, you my friend have indeed been extremely fortunate, & I do mean FORTUNATE !! Mauser M-1934's are almost unheard of, although they do appear on the market every now & then. Personally, in the condition your's appears to be in, significantly adds to its value. These Kreigsmarine proofed examples were without question issued to, & used by KM personnel during WW2. Being somewhat more compact than many other models, they were favored by U-Boat Officers, KM Pilots & Flying personnel, along with assorted others. If you intend on keeping it, you may wish to mate it up with an period correct Holster & spare Magazine for display purposes. Be advised however, either of those items will run you a few bucks, especially the correct Kriegsmarine proofed Magazine. All in all, you now possess an interesting & quite uncommon WW2 era Pistol. On the Chief, I'm there are others here much more knowledgeable in it than I. It is an very early example, which in itself calls out for an S&W Factory Letter ! you may rest assured that I'll watch this Post with interest.

Best, dpast32
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #20  
Old 01-09-2021, 01:12 PM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default

Froggie.. Thanks for the post..

I have many amazing guns hunted down here in Cali. FTR - I don't search they come to me. Place like Pomona and Cow Palace were very large and important gun shows.The reason I can find good value has to do with the collectors aging and interest in older guns slowing down in this area. Don't forget for younger gun collector a Python is a big deal! Today the problem is covid and lack of shows as a general statement. Very hard to connect..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Green Frog View Post
I finally hear a gun story from Kalifornia that's a good one... on this side of the country it seems like folks who buy S&Ws at gun shows know what a Baby Chiefs Special is and are willing to pay accordingly. Getting one at a bargain is like finding a diamond in a pile of ... well you know!

Froggie
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #21  
Old 01-09-2021, 01:16 PM
bigl1911's Avatar
bigl1911 bigl1911 is offline
SWCA Member
Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy Baby Chief and 1934 Mauser Navy  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 1,128
Likes: 2,630
Liked 5,126 Times in 559 Posts
Default

Thanks Heinz for your post.. Appreciated and new information for me..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Heinz View Post
bigl1911, you may already know this about the Mauser:
There are 3 purchase groups of the 1934 by the Navy, the first group has a Weimar Eagle and no Swaztica, The second group has the Nazi Eagle with the swaztica. I am not sure about the third but I think it is the same as the second with a later group of serial numbers. Your Serial number is mid-range in the second group. On close examination you will probably find the Naval Acceptance mark is pantographed, which would be wrong for most German marks but is right for this one and some few other Navy marks. The Navy supposedly purchased these from regular Mauser production and added the acceptance mark themselves. Fakery is rampant in German pistols, you can buy repro proof stamps on Ebay. But this one looks really good from the photos.

Last edited by bigl1911; 01-10-2021 at 02:26 AM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Navy overrun Chief for the Chief chiefdave S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 40 Yesterday 12:46 AM
Mauser 1934 F4phantom Firearms & Knives - Other Brands 12 10-01-2020 09:41 AM
A Navy marked German Mauser pistol english Firearms & Knives - Other Brands 7 09-03-2018 02:48 AM
1934 Mauser 7.65 Magazine-WTB slowburninsteve WANTED to Buy 3 06-30-2013 04:14 PM
WITHDRAWN: Mauser Model 1934 Kriegsmarine .32 ACP *PICS ADDED* Teddydog GUNS - For Sale or Trade 3 02-08-2013 12:11 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:03 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)