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Old 01-09-2021, 01:03 AM
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I believe that I have a S&W hand ejector 3rd model that I inherited from my grandfather. My best guess is it is from circa 1930s. It has the number 10062 stamped on the butt of the gun. While shooting it at a shooting range a few years ago it broke. I had to disassemble it to get the rounds out. I believe there was a sheared pin inside. I save all the parts and I have finally gotten around to trying to fix it. Can someone confirm the type of gun and tell me where I can either find instructions for construction or where I take it to get someone to help me repair it. Thanks
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Old 01-09-2021, 02:01 PM
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To clarify, the cylinder refused to open? That is usually a loose ejector rod. What pin do you think sheared off?
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Post another pic of the complete gun please. I don’t see anything broken inside.
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The trigger return spring looks strange
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! I believe you have a .38 Special Model 1899, First Model hand ejector. It would have been made in 1899 or 1900. Parts for this model are long obsolete; however, it could be repaired by someone who is very familiar with the action.
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I am intrested to in more pictures. You are right bobbysixkiller. The rebound looks very strange.

This is the internal lock of a model 1899. It is the same as the model 1902. Next step was the reboundslide. I am curious to this model.
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I do see that the hand is missing to. The hammer has a strange look at the bottom to. But i do only compare the lock of my 1899 model to this one.

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Welcome to the Forum.

Looks like the hand is in the background.

That's not a 1899. I just had mine apart. I think it is an early I frame.

Correction: I believe what I see is the grip screw.
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I am curious. More pictures makes things clear I hope.
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That's not a 1899. I just had mine apart. I think it is an early I frame.
Gil, I started to ask if he had a .32 or .38 but IIRC, the Model 1896 had the rear sights slightly elevated above the topstrap and a little forward of the rear. So, I went with the M1899. It could also be a copy from Spain or Belgium but the Serial doesn't look like one of theirs. I agree with Thuer that more pictures would be helpful.


OOOH, you may be correct. The 2nd Model dropped the elevated rear sight for a notched top strap and pinned the barrel. The 1st Models had a straight barrel with no pin. Also, S&W started the serial number over at 1 with the 2nd Model.
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I’ve not had an 1896 apart. Don’t have one. But it’s not an 1899. I’m wondering if it’s a copy. Really more pictures needed.
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Pretty sure the revolver in question is a .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903, 2nd Model. I really do not know a lot about them, but the trigger return spring is out of position. I cannot tell if there are any broken or missing pins. Here is a picture of the insides of mine showing where the trigger return spring is supposed to go. Hope this is of some help.
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Old 01-09-2021, 04:53 PM
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I checked Gun Parts Corps & found the trigger return spring listed with the I frame parts:

Smith & Wesson Model 32 Hand Eject Parts | Numrich Gun Parts

I think there is a another part or two missing.
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You have a 32 Hand Ejector, Model 1903 (No Change) revolver. Serial number nails down the gun's age. The No Change Model 1903 was made only two years, 1903 & 1904 with serial number range 1-19425. If you look at the image below, the trigger return spring goes behind the hand, not in front.
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Old 01-10-2021, 06:00 AM
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Thanks for the pictures of the internal parts. I was looking in to my books. Could not find anything. Almost no pictures of older locks.
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Yes, even Chicoine's book skips over the "No Change" Model 1903 disassembly. With less than 20,000 made and who knows how many survive, they just do not show up often. A few more images of my early 32 HE, serial number 11,163 that shipped in January, 1904.
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Looking through my photos, I also have an 1896 and
its mechanism is below. You will note that this model has a short pinned trigger spring similar the K frame Model 1899s. Of course it also had a cylinder stop at the top of the frame.
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I am seeing too many differences between the mechanism in pot #1 and post #14 to make any sense of it. Trigger return spring and the trigger itself are dissimilar.
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I would suggest that if the OP (who I would like to belatedly welcome) is really interested in getting the info he needs, at the minimum he needs to post a picture of the whole Gun from about the same perspective as his first picture. As others have said, there just isn’t enough there in the original image to definitely identify the model variation or his problem. The changes that occurred in that era of S&W development simply preclude anything more than speculation for most of us here until we see more details.

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I am not that familiar with the real early hand ejectors. Plenty ogf the members are and the vast majority of people here are great. If the OP would post his location I wouldn't be surprised if someone near him could and would help him out
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. . . As others have said, there just isnít enough there in the original image to definitely identify the model variation or his problem . . .
A couple did welcome our new member, but I did not, but better late than never. Welcome to the Forum.

Have to disagree. The only long trigger/hand spring guns that S&W ever made were the first 51,126 Model 1903s. I know of no other model with that spring.

Everything is the same, except for the fact that the OP's gun has the hand removed. I originally assumed that the OP had done that, but maybe that is the part missing and causing the problems with the action not working?? Without the hand, I assume that the trigger will not rebound properly.

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The cylinder stop looks different between the two revolvers.
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There appears to be a pin missing on the OP's cylinder stop. And the OP's trigger stud hole is elongated. It is more of a slot than a defined diameter hole. That would allow the trigger to slide rearward but I'm not sure why.


Edit: Ok, how about this hypothesis. As the trigger is pulled, the double action sear keeps it from moving rearward as the hammer is cocked. But, after clearing the sear, the trigger moves rearward and clears the cylinder stop. But, does that allow a more effective engagement of the cylinder stop with the cylinder or does it allow a more effective engagement of the double action sear as the trigger is released?
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The side by side is very helpful.

Is the elongation of the trigger stud hole perhaps an optical illusion caused by shadow?
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Yes, I suppose it could be.

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A couple did welcome our new member, but I did not, but better late than never. Welcome to the Forum.

Have to disagree. The only long trigger/hand spring guns that S&W ever made were the first 51,126 Model 1903s. I know of no other model with that spring.

Everything is the same, except for the fact that the OP's gun has the hand removed. I originally assumed that the OP had done that, but maybe that is the part missing and causing the problems with the action not working?? Without the hand, I assume that the trigger will not rebound properly.

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I'm no expert but in my observation I see no pin on the cylinder lock? Where the trigger in gauges and yes the hand is missing just my thoughts
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Looks like the hand is in the background.

That's not a 1899. I just had mine apart. I think it is an early I frame.

Correction: I believe what I see is the grip screw.
Looks like the 4th screw with plunger that goes into the cylinder stop. See that the cyl. stop is hanging below frame window not under tension.

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HI i think that the plunger that is missing from the cyl stop has broken .Not allowing the trigger to pull down the cyl stop.thus locking up the gun -cyl can't turn -trigger can't be pulled You will have to remove parts to be able to remove the trigger , On the back side of the cyl lock you will find a small disk with a hole in the center ,this holds the plunger & spring in place.The plunger can break the tip off ,this is what the trigger extreme front hooks on to pull the cylinder lock out of engagement with the cylinder.Then as the trigger returns it cams the plunger into the cylinder lock and the hammer returns to reset. The plunger is very small and a smith that is familiar with the model could make one .It is a trial and error to get it right ,i have made one for my gun. HOPE YOU FIND the broken pieces
this is how my 1899 38 caliber S/N 20975 lock work operates
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Looks like the 4th screw with plunger that goes into the cylinder stop. See that the cyl. stop is hanging below frame window not under tension.
The spring and plunger are part of the cylinder stop in this model. See the comment above, made by walter o.
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