The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures

Raiders_wife · #1 03-10-2021, 05:51 PM

Gentlemen,

Here are the photos of the nickel 44 hand ejector first model with a 4 inch barrel. I would like an idea of what value to put on it. I don't think this one is refinished.

Raider's wife Joan

The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0322-jpg

The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0322-jpg

Sorry, I also have a few more. Just learning how to do attachments.

Raider's wife

Chukar60 · #2 03-10-2021, 06:02 PM

I am not seeing any pictures other than your S&W letter

handejector · #3 03-10-2021, 06:14 PM

The 4 inch nickel TL is a VERY scarce gun.
However, your gun has a pretty good refinish. Not as good as a Factory refinish, but better than most.
The grips are very modern replacements and do not look good on it.

Truckman · #4 03-10-2021, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by handejector

Here is an easier to read pic of your letter-

Cullum & Boren was a well known sporting goods store in Dallas from 1902 until 1981 when it closed...

...Ben

handejector · #5 03-10-2021, 07:02 PM

I merged your posts for you.

hibbs · #6 03-10-2021, 08:29 PM

Also, I do not see a serial # on the back of the cyl. All my TL's have the sn. on the back of the cyl.

Richard

delcrossv · #7 03-10-2021, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by hibbs

Also, I do not see a serial # on the back of the cyl. All my TL's have the sn. on the back of the cyl.

Richard

Good eye! Yes it should have the S/N. Replacement?

handejector · #8 03-10-2021, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hibbs

Also, I do not see a serial # on the back of the cyl. All my TL's have the sn. on the back of the cyl.

Richard

I think the serial number might be hidden in the shadow against the frame.

Peak53 · #9 03-10-2021, 11:20 PM

The esteemed Handejector has provided great opinions on 4" barrel, refinish, and modern grips. For value, you are in low 4 digit territory. Others will no doubt be along to provide opinions on your very nice 1st Model. Wish it was mine!

mrcvs · #10 03-11-2021, 11:57 AM

The revolver you have presented is refinished, as others have stated. A decent job of it, but refinished nonetheless.

In comparison, here is mine. Also refinished, and not refinished nearly as nicely as yours.

Only about a hundred Triple Lock revolvers in nickel with 4” barrels were manufactured, and so they are rare. Most were well used and present as yours and mine do—refinished. It’s the only refinished firearm I own, simply because I haven’t come across a better one.

Raiders_wife · #11 03-15-2021, 01:55 PM

Here are additional pictures of the triple lock. I see nothing on the front of the cylinder. See if these are the numbers you are looking for.

Raiders_wife

mrcvs · #12 03-15-2021, 02:07 PM

The face of the cylinder should have a serial number and does not. There is some pitting with nickel over it, further indicating a renickel. Or, the “pitting” might be slight indications of where the serial number once existed and, instead, presents as a few pinpricks, not following the contours of the cylinder serial number.

The second photograph shows an un-renickeled cam and interior portions clearly not renickeled. Now, the cam must have been removed, but aren’t components submerged when renickeled meaning it extremely curious interior portions do not exhibit a renickel as well.

Edit: Also the interior assembly number 7238 is too crisp to have been renickeled.

Raiders_wife · #13 03-16-2021, 11:38 AM

Okay guys,

What is the bottom line? What value should I put on it in the classified section?

Raiders_wife
Joan

Hondo44 · #14 03-16-2021, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcvs

The second photograph shows an un-renickeled cam and interior portions clearly not renickeled. Now, the cam must have been removed, but aren’t components submerged when renickeled meaning it extremely curious interior portions do not exhibit a renickel as well.

Edit: Also the interior assembly number 7238 is too crisp to have been renickeled.

I do believe the middle lock cam has been nickeled. Or it would still have traces of its original case colors. However it was not polished and likely neither were the assembly #s areas, for they would have been unavoidably dipped/nickeled with the frame and yoke. But they have their original unpolished machined surfaces and appear original and dull, w/o the shiny nickel of a polished surface.

Hondo44 · #15 03-16-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders_wife

Okay guys,

What is the bottom line? What value should I put on it in the classified section?

Raiders_wife
Joan

Do you intend to sell it or insure it?

I believe the stated sale value in post #9 still applies; low four figures. To throw out a figure say, $2500 to $3500.

mrcvs · #16 03-16-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondo44

I do believe the middle lock cam has been nickeled. Or it would still have traces of its original case colors. However it was not polished and likely neither were the assembly #s areas, for they would have been unavoidably dipped/nickeled with the frame and yoke. But they have their original unpolished machined surfaces and appear original and dull, w/o the shiny nickel of a polished surface.

I thought the middle lock cam appeared as one would on a revolver that warranted renickeling but escaped the renickel. That is, grey as it thus appears, any case colouring absent (and it is difficult to discern on all but the most pristine cams), but dull and not bright as a renickel appears.

The assembly number areas appear dull due to lack of polishing, as you state, but the assembly numbers appear amazingly crisp. I don’t know how that would have escaped renickeling to the extent of other areas of the revolver, but such it is.

gkitch · #17 03-16-2021, 04:03 PM

It remains a shooter-grade gun, although apparently a nice one. As a "shooter" the condition of the bore and solid timing and lock-up should be stated.

Raiders_wife · #18 03-16-2021, 06:06 PM

I want to sell it.

Raiders_wife · #19 03-16-2021, 06:10 PM

Probably more for a low end collector. I cannot imagine shooting a gun like this one. At least it is a piece of history that one can hold in their hand.

.357magger · #20 03-16-2021, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by gkitch

It remains a shooter-grade gun, although apparently a nice one. As a "shooter" the condition of the bore and solid timing and lock-up should be stated.

I agree with this.

I could well imagine shooting this example, and as such, timing, push off, and bore condition, etc. would be important, if not the MOST important factors in deciding to buy or not, after the rarity of course.

I don't think anyone would consider as a daily carry, but "taking her out to dance " occasionally could make or break the sale.

Just my $.02.

handejector · #21 03-18-2021, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders_wife

See if these are the numbers you are looking for.

Nope.

The barrel number is up front in the slot, in the deep part where the knob fits. I can see the last digit ----

The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0335-jpg

The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0335-jpg

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Originally Posted by mrcvs

The second photograph shows an un-renickeled cam and interior portions clearly not renickeled. Now, the cam must have been removed, but aren’t components submerged when renickeled meaning it extremely curious interior portions do not exhibit a renickel as well.

Edit: Also the interior assembly number 7238 is too crisp to have been renickeled.

Nickel does not fill in markings. The surfaces build up evenly. Those matte surfaces HAVE been renickeled. They are dull because they never had a high polish, and they were not buffed when the renickel occured. Look at the inside of the shroud- same matte finish, and we know the barrel is refinished.

Raiders wife, look closely for TRACES of a number on the back of the cylinder. Use a magnifier if you have one. They are small and shallow numbers that could be buffed away, but traces usually remain.

The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0350-jpg

The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0350-jpg

Also check the number on the back of the extractor. It should match the butt number. If the extractor is original, it is likely the cylinder is original. Look here---
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The Real 44 hand ejector 1st model with pictures-img_0351-jpg

Start at $3500-4000 and see what you can do.

WalMart ain't got any.

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ddixie884 · #22 03-18-2021, 11:51 PM

They haven't increased in numbers, lately.........

mrcvs · #23 03-19-2021, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by handejector

Nickel does not fill in markings. The surfaces build up evenly. Those matte surfaces HAVE been renickeled. They are dull because they never had a high polish, and they were not buffed when the renickel occured. Look at the inside of the shroud- same matte finish, and we know the barrel is refinished.

Raiders wife, look closely for TRACES of a number on the back of the cylinder. Use a magnifier if you have one. They are small and shallow numbers that could be buffed away, but traces usually remain.

I don’t know exactly what I meant to convey in my earlier post, other than the outside of the revolver clearly has been renickeled and, by default, the unpolished interior portions would have to have been renickeled, despite giving the appearance of not having been!

I think the shiny face of the cylinder shows some minor “pitting” in one location which is probably remnants of the serial number.