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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Old 03-23-2009, 08:03 PM
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You mentioned the style of ampersand on the barrel. It appears to me as identical to the one on my 357 shipped in 1950. Perhaps you were fooled by my poor photo?



BTW- this shot was taken with my brand new (just arrived today) 14.6 megapixel Pentax (Tim Allen grunt).

There are two possible factory rework stamps. One is simply 2 59 and I assume this refers to February of 1959 as the date for some work. There is also a diamond right next to a letter B. Perhaps this indicates a reblue? Is this necessarily associated with the 2/59 date?

The stocks that came on the gun are not original and are stamped with the serial 246623. From the SCSW I figure this is early 1964 and this is interesting in that there is a name (ML Lane) crudely written on the inside of one panel along with "June 5, 1964" which fits nicely with the probably date of manufacture on the stocks. But I doubt that replacement stocks put on during a rebuild would carry a different serial so these must have been taken from another gun and maybe Mr. Lane has no connection to this revolver but was issued or owned S246623 and these stocks somehow got swapped onto my gun.

Am I wrong about the ampersand? Any other ideas about this 357 with a serial from early 1955 that Roy says actually shipped in March of 1957 but has frame that shouldn't have been used at that time? I have considered the replaced gun or frame scenario and it makes sense. A 4-screw frame is used in 2/59 to replace a damaged one from this earlier gun and the old serial is restamped.

I do wonder a bit about the serial being so early for a 1957 date. Two years delay in shipped seems unusual for a fairly popular gun but it's not impossible.
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You mentioned the style of ampersand on the barrel. It appears to me as identical to the one on my 357 shipped in 1950. Perhaps you were fooled by my poor photo?



BTW- this shot was taken with my brand new (just arrived today) 14.6 megapixel Pentax (Tim Allen grunt).

There are two possible factory rework stamps. One is simply 2 59 and I assume this refers to February of 1959 as the date for some work. There is also a diamond right next to a letter B. Perhaps this indicates a reblue? Is this necessarily associated with the 2/59 date?

The stocks that came on the gun are not original and are stamped with the serial 246623. From the SCSW I figure this is early 1964 and this is interesting in that there is a name (ML Lane) crudely written on the inside of one panel along with "June 5, 1964" which fits nicely with the probably date of manufacture on the stocks. But I doubt that replacement stocks put on during a rebuild would carry a different serial so these must have been taken from another gun and maybe Mr. Lane has no connection to this revolver but was issued or owned S246623 and these stocks somehow got swapped onto my gun.

Am I wrong about the ampersand? Any other ideas about this 357 with a serial from early 1955 that Roy says actually shipped in March of 1957 but has frame that shouldn't have been used at that time? I have considered the replaced gun or frame scenario and it makes sense. A 4-screw frame is used in 2/59 to replace a damaged one from this earlier gun and the old serial is restamped.

I do wonder a bit about the serial being so early for a 1957 date. Two years delay in shipped seems unusual for a fairly popular gun but it's not impossible.
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SP...The B next to a diamond indicates a reblue that most likely was done in February 1959. The ampersand looks like the one in use in the 60s to me, but I will do a little more investigating and post a couple of photos for comparison later today.

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SP and Bill,
Attached is a 1954 ampersand.
Looks like the same, but hey...I'm an older guy, with trifocals.
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I checked a couple of my guns from the mid-50s and agree the ampersand is correct for the gun. The difference between the two styles is subtle, but there was a change in 1963 that was used until about 1972 or so.

Like I have said before, ampersand styles can be a study all of its own.

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I checked a couple of my guns from the mid-50s and agree the ampersand is correct for the gun. The difference between the two styles is subtle, but there was a change in 1963 that was used until about 1972 or so.

Like I have said before, ampersand styles can be a study all of its own.

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It wouldn't surprise me if they had more than one style of ampersand in use at the same time. Also, older barrels may have been used into the 1960's.
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