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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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I finally made an account a couple weeks ago in order to start a thread on a 4" square butt Model 65 I converted to a 3" bobbed hammer, round grip. Still need to post that in the other sub-forum.

In the meantime, my brother-in-law gifted me with his Dad's "old gun he used to kill snakes out back". I've been wanting an old Model 10 for years and the fuzzy pic he had sent me looked like one. When I got it in my hands this weekend I realized it wasn't a M10, but like many new Depression-era 1905 owners am having trouble dating it. Pics attached but here are the details:

Serial: 576xxx
.38 S&W Special CTG revolver
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5 barrel
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S&W Logo on the left
Stamped Made In The USA

Thanks in advance for your help and for all the knowledge I've gotten here in the past. I love Smith's and the older I get the more I love the older ones.

It's in pretty decent shape; holster wear, barrel is dirty but rust free, grips are worn as hell and rust under grips, so I'll be giving this one the Mark Novak treatment (Conservation 101: Stop the decay! - YouTube) and then shooting the heck out of it.

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Welcome to the Forum.

Your "new" revolver is a .38 Military & Police, not a Model 10. Model numbers weren't assigned until 1957 and model stamped handguns didn't actually appear until 1958.

You will see posts that refer to revolvers as a "pre Model 10, 29, etc." These are the same as the model stamped revolvers. The pre WW II guns had the long action. In 1948, S&W introduced the short action in the Military & Police line. These short actions are the same as the model stamped guns and can be called "pre models".
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Thanks Muley! I wasn't clear in my post... I know it's not a Model 10 - that's what I've been looking for until this came along. I'm actually happy an old M&P fell into my lap. (I'll still look for a nice M10, but not in a hurry now that I have this to play with)

I've dissembled it completely and the really good news is the mild corrosion on the inner grip frame is not present on the working parts. I have everything soaking in some Ed's Red right now and don't think I'll do the 'boil method' of cleaning/de-rusting.
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Your .38 Military & Police model probably shipped sometime in the latter half of the 1920s. It may or may not have the newer barrel shaped extractor rod knob, which was implemented in 1927 on the .38 M&P (and other models without a shrouded rod).
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Welcome to the forums from the cotton and peanut covered plains of the Wiregrass! Does your M&P have a mushroom shaped extractor rod knob or barrel shaped? Are the grips plain round top or have medallions?



Tutorials on how to post pictures are in sticky posts in the Forum Office subforum.


Edit: Jack posted while I was waxing eloquent.
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Thanks guys, I edited my orig post to insert the pix.
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Looks like 1927 or 28.
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Looks like 1927 or 28.
Very cool. Thanks!

Also, took it out of it's bath, scrubbed a little, airgunned, wiped and got it re-assembled. Looks really nice, just the holster wear which to my eyes gives it character. The trigger is so damn smooth it's a dream.

And looks like there is no hammer block on these. Did people carry them with an empty under the hammer or not really worry about it back then?

My only other question is what is the deal with the right side grip. I can't tell if it's just worn down that bad or it's some kind of replacement.

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It still has the mushroom knob. The change was ordered in January, 1927, but implementation took a while. Shipment may have happened in '27 or later, but there's a good chance this one was assembled in 1927.

As a reference point, M&P 531541 shipped in February, 1926.
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. . . And looks like there is no hammer block on these. Did people carry them with an empty under the hammer or not really worry about it back then?

My only other question is what is the deal with the right side grip. I can't tell if it's just worn down that bad or it's some kind of replacement . . .
The 1st hammer block safety was installed in 1915 on M&P revolvers. Pull back the hammer, look in the slot to the right side and you will see a small tab. That is the hammer block safety.

Most likely that revolver was carried in a holster by a right handed law enforcement officer for a very long time or by a new-age cowboy who rode a horse to check the fence and round up the cattle.
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looks like there is no hammer block on these. Did people carry them with an empty under the hammer or not really worry about it back then?

My only other question is what is the deal with the right side grip. I can't tell if it's just worn down that bad or it's some kind of replacement.

Your M&P has the 2nd version hammerblock in the sideplate. The first sideplate hammerblock was implemented in 1915 and the second around 1925. That same hammerblock was used up to and in WWII until a dropped gun on a Navy ship killed a seaman and prompted a change to the current design. It is safe enough not to require an empty chamber.


Lot of wear or sanding on the right side grip panel. There are some skilled gripmakers here that can fix that if you want.
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