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This was my last purchase of 2021. In the past several years, I have come to love oak leaf engraving on S&Ws. When I saw this one, I felt that it would fit nicely in my collection. I believe that it was engraved by H&H Zehner and the almost full coverage is really fun to look at with a magnifying glass. I hope that you will enjoy the photos AND if any of you have oak leaf engraved guns, I would love for you to post some photos...









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Gosh, Richard.

Everything about that K-38 speaks elegance. The cylinder flutes scream it.

I don't focus on the engraved models, but I sure enjoy yours. Thanks for posting this one.
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Very nice Richard! No, I don't have one with oak leaf engraving, not that I wouldn't love to acquire one. Here's one I've been chasing, you've seen the pictures but others here haven't. Apparently it has eluded me.

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Those are some beautiful revolvers, thanks for showing us.
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Beautiful

The cross hatching in the flutes caught my eye instantly . . . . a very nice touch

Funny that you should post this about two hours after I got off the phone discussing a stainless Walther PPk that needs to get a oak leaf pattern put on it
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Richard what a beauty of a weapon, thanks for showing them.
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Richard: Lovely, and about as close to 100% engraved as I think I have ever seen.
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I cannot imagine how they chased those cross hatch lines down the inside curve of the flutes. That is just showing off.
Beautiful revolver.
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Some superb engraving there. Beautiful photos as always.
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BEAUTIFUL, I love K frames and hunting in the northeast I love oaks and acorns. Congrats on awesome revolver
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Very nice revolver.
I'd almost guess those inlays are White Gold instead of silver.
Unless the silver has been carefully polished of any tarnish andthen protected from further darkening.
Even Fine Silver (.999) will tarnish. It just takes a little longer.
I have several coils of different dia wire in Fine Silver yet and some sheet stock from projects. It is black in color from tarnish just sitting in it's paper envelopes that it comes in from the metals supplier.

White Gold is an alloy of 24k gold and nickel. Sometimes Palladium is alloyed into it (crack open those catalytic converters)

It retains it 'white' color w/o tarnishing though some alloys of white gold will take on a slight color change and darken much to the owners dismay.
This darkening of the WhiteGold in these instances is usually due to the particular White Gold alloy being also included with some Silver or lower grade silver containing copper.
That small amt of silver in the complete alloy is the source of the tarnishing that occurs.
You have to know or at least trust the source of the precious metal alloys you are buying for very specific uses like this.

Not many use White Gold anymore in engraving inlay work.
In jewelry work,,White Gold pieces like rings are often finished by actually plating them with rhodium.
This does 2 things..It allows a higher polish to the object than the base metal of white gold allows (it's harder than the white gold)
..and the Rhodium plating protects the wearer from contact with the WhiteGold directly which contains small amts of Nickel,,some people have allergic reactions to nickel.


The 'new metal' for forever white inlays seems to be Argenitum, a trade name for the stuff.
It is actually pure Silver alloyed with a metal called Germanium.
This is fairly new to the engravers world,,maybe the last 20ys or so,,my guess.

There are also Silver/Platinum alloys that are very tarnish resistant, but again are relatively new to the engravers scene.

.. One small trick to clearing the tarnish from the Silver w/o any polishing.

Light up a common propane torch,,the handy disposable cylinder type.
Then play the flame over the tarnished silver quickly and from a distance.
Just swipe the flame back and forth quickly,,don't heat the silver or item in one spot.
The blackened tarnish will disappear with the heat and leave the bright silver surface showing.
No damage to the silver or base metal at all.)


Beautiful revolver and OakLeaf engraving. Great detail,,and that is not always the case with OakLeaf. It is often done very quickly and w/o much detail or thought of natural shapes, shading, etc. Much is often applied as a quick way to cover big areas and w/o much planning having to be done in the layout .
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Very nice Richard, as always. Looking forward to a range report.
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I never really cared about engraved guns. Actually I kinda dislike them.

That being said, that is the second "oak leaf" engraved Smith that I have seen on this forum (the other being RK's 3 1/2" 27-2) and must say that they are beautiful and changed my mind about engraved guns.
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This was my last purchase of 2021. In the past several years, I have come to love oak leaf engraving on S&Ws. When I saw this one, I felt that it would fit nicely in my collection. I believe that it was engraved by H&H Zehner and the almost full coverage is really fun to look at with a magnifying glass. I hope that you will enjoy the photos AND if any of you have oak leaf engraved guns, I would love for you to post some photos...









Thanks for letting me share.

Beautiful detail and the animals are superb.


Their eyes jump right out at me.
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They are all superb... the one that 22hipower posted intrigues me with the “industrial” look at the rear of the cylinder. Wouldn’t have thought the simple circles would have that effect, or blend so well with the oak theme.
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Thanks for the comments. Here are a few more photos:













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Richard, you and Jeff have got my tongue in a knot! Remind me not to speak to you guys the next time I see you at a symposium... if I can get my tongue untwisted. Those are some gorgeous guns!
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Another spectacular example Richard.

I like the look of white gold as has been described.

Are the stocks numbered to the gun ?

To me it seems a bit odd that with so much done that aspect of it wasn't addressed.

But you know I'm a junkie with grips so.....
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Although not on a Smith &Wesson , I think you’ll agree that it’s really fine oak leaves and acorn engraving. This pair of Miller & Val Greiss of Munich 16 ha. Shotguns we’re built in 1927-28.
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Although not on a Smith &Wesson , I think you’ll agree that it’s really fine oak leaves and acorn engraving. This pair of Miller & Val Greiss of Munich 16 ha. Shotguns we’re built in 1927-28.

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While I’m not generally a fan of ornate guns, that K-38 is absolutely stunning.
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Its hard for me to comprehend how someone can be so skilled to accomplish a piece of art like that. The focus it must take to accomplish that level of work is astonishing.
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... and for those of you who have read this far down the thread, here is a photo of the K-38 with a Model 29 cut by the same engraver in the same style.





... and a few detailed photos of the 29 for comparison:

















The grips on the model 29 are Keith Brown Kearsarge's. I am trying to talk Keith into making me something that is more appropriate for the K-38... Hopefully I will be able to post some updated photos at some time...
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Thankfully I’ve come back to this posting about 6 times and didn’t miss the additional photos and beautiful art. Thanks for sharing. Jh
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With the engraving pattern laid out for magnas and the white gold maple may look good Richard ?
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I am a believer that Maple always looks good. This Keith Brown set was auctioned off at the last Symposium (I did not end up with them).





Something like this with a magna shoulder profile and Kearsarge oakleaf carvings would be fun.
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Beautiful revolver.
That cross hatching done down in the flutes and the engraving done in the area in back of the trigger guard are not easy to do.

Each is a concave surface. That right off presents you with a challenge in bringing a cut back out of the concave of the surface as your chisel wants to bottom out on the edge where you started the cut.
The deeper the concave surface, the more difficult to make a cut from one side to the other.

Making a cut at an angle makes it a bit easier,,so the cross hatch pattern is nicely already designed that way.
But if you try and cut that simple cross hatch in the flutes with the same chisel sharpened with the same angle(s) as you are using to the rest of the work with, chances are you will stall the point of the chisel in the steel in the flute as you are going back 'up the hill' on the far side of the concave surface.

What you do is resharpen, or have a separately sharpened chisel, with an especially steep heel on the point.
That makes you lift the chisel very high to make it cut. So the chisel itself is out of the way when making these sort of cuts.

Generally the heel on the graver is only a few degrees,,, 5*,,10*
Every engraver has a favorite way to sharpen.
To little and your hand holding the chisel is draging on the work.
Too much and you loose the solid feel of the graver cutting into the steel.

But in this instance, you have to go with a higher heel angle so you can cut down into the concave surfaces.
Jewelry and Silver engravers use this type of point as well.
They have to make cuts to engrave names, initials, inscriptions, etc down inside things like cups, bowls, trays... They need to avoid the higher edge of the object they are engraving

That deep concave area on the revolver behind the trigger guard is another spot that is difficult to engrave.
It is open sided on 2 sides which helps. But the trigger guard and the grip strap make it impossible to make any full circle turns with a graver down in the area.
So any scroll work is done in segments which can lead to less than well cut work. You can get yourself into the 'painted into a corner' problem' is you don't plan things out. Takes some thought in the very least.

If the edges of that area are to be border cut, you are again working on a deeply concave surface and the cut must come in and back out with either the trigger guard or the front strap of the frame in the way of your graver.
So the very high heel on the graver is again used, and in this case the border is usually made in 2 cuts,,one from each direction.

You don't see a lot of revolvers with much of any engraving in that small area. It's just plain difficult and time consuming to do.
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