Below are pictures of a S&W Pre Model 10, serial no. 6654XX. It is a 4-screw model in .38 Special caliber with a 6" barrel. The unusal feature is that it is cut for a shoulder stock. Having both a Mauser Military and Ingles Hi Power with stocks, I tried to see if either one would fit the frame cut. Both were larger than the slot. This was one of the guns that was in some of the very first shipment of firearms from China. Has anyone ever seen another cut for stock S&W or have any ideas or thoughts?





Appreciate any information. Thanks.

Bill

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Below are pictures of a S&W Pre Model 10, serial no. 6654XX. It is a 4-screw model in .38 Special caliber with a 6" barrel. The unusal feature is that it is cut for a shoulder stock. Having both a Mauser Military and Ingles Hi Power with stocks, I tried to see if either one would fit the frame cut. Both were larger than the slot. This was one of the guns that was in some of the very first shipment of firearms from China. Has anyone ever seen another cut for stock S&W or have any ideas or thoughts?





Appreciate any information. Thanks.

Bill

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Bill

I doubt that it is a factory alteration. (Only a letter will tell for sure.)
The Chinese seemed to like stocked pistols and that cut would be pretty simple to do, so I imagine some local gunsmith buzzed it in there.
You might check this out: http://www.adamsguns.com/broom.htm

The grips are post-1957 and the gun appears to be earlier, or is it marked Mod.10?

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Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446

Are you sure you have the right serial number ? Is there a C prefixing it ?

Later, Mike Priwer

Looks to have a large knob ejector rod, and other pre-war features, grips are wrong. Interesting, I've not seen nor heard of any shoulder stocked M&P's, will be curious to hear more.

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I've have gone back and relooked at the serial number. The first character is an "S" NOT 6. Old age is affecting the eyes!

Yes, the grips are replacements because when I got the gun, the left grip was missing and the right one had a large chunk out of it.

Bill

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I've gone back and looked at the inside of the crane area. The only number there is 5287. This number is on both the frame and the crane arm and is not related to the gun's serial number. Also noticed that the barrel has the same S654XX number.

Bill

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It could be cut for a old idea holster/stock such as this old 1906 german commercial lugar I had. (still a insane idea).

Better get the magnifier out.
"S" prefixes were used on N-Frames (38/44 HD's) right after WW2.
That is definitely not a N-Frame.

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Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446

"S" prefixes were also used on early post-war M&Ps too. I have one. See my post "M&P I've never seen before."

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True, but not at 65000. Note yours is an 800000+ gun. This gun looks like a 1905-4th.

Bob

The S prefix on the post-war M&P's started in the low 800,000's; there were no S prefix M&P's with 5-digit serial numbers.

You might want to carefully recheck the serial number.

I'd guess the correct serial number is S854XXX. The cut in the backstrap is not factory.

OK I have used a magnifying glass to look at the numbers. I was originally correct. the serial munber on the butt of the gun is 665408. There is NO leter "S" in the serial number. This same number, 665408 is on the bottom of the barrel, in the area of the elector rod. Also about 1/2" in front of the serial number on the bottom of the barrel is the letter "B". I would say it not part of the serial number as it is not close to the number and the letter does NOT appear on the butt of the gun. There does not appear to be any kind of effort (grinding, filing, etc.) to remove anything from the butt of the gun. The only thing on the butt is the number.

Anyone have an idea on the date of manufacture?

Thanks.

Bill

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You are correct that the "B" is not part of the serial number, it signifies a blue finish. And it is what it looks like which is a Military & Police Model of 1905 - 4th Change. I don't know at what pace production ramped up on these before WWII but I'm sure somebody will chime in with a SN close to yours that has been lettered and can give you a date. My WAG would be 1940ish.

Bob

+1

Close serial numbers to your gun, were shipped in late 1937 & early 1938.Only a factory historical letter would tell if it was shipped to a distributor/dealer in the far east.

While I was poking around the AFT's site I came across this little jewel: Smith & Wesson, model Military and Police revolver, cal. .38, S/N 112037, with original Ideal holster / shoulder stock

This was in Section III of the C&R list under Weapons Removed From The NFA As Collector's Items And Classified As Curios Or Relics Under The GCA.

While I know this isn't the S/N of this gun, it is interesting that there is an M&P with an Ideal Holster/Shoulder stock known to the AFT. I wonder if S&W cut it for a special order?

Bill

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US Marine, 16 years+

Hey Bill,
Pretty profound, I can hear the hush fall over the readers out there in cyberspace.

And it's a 5 screw gun, not a 4 screw. Too old to be an original 4 screw and too young to be a '50s 4 screw. (I can see 5th screw in front of trigger guard). Definitely a pre 1942 gun with post 1968 stocks.

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S&WCA #819

Had one cut just like this walk into the last WAC Gun Show in Puyallup. The owner said it was "Factory" and I simply asked him "Who's Factory" because I doubt it was the S&W Factory.

The OP stated "<span class="ev_code_RED">This was one of the guns that was in some of the very first shipment of firearms from China.</span>" and I can see 'them' doing something like this. The backstrap in the very first picture looks a lot like the one I saw and it was my opinion that the backstrap had been ground off and cold blued and the stocks didn't fit any better than these do. If this gun was imported from China it should have some kind of re-import stamping on it somewhere.