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Old 04-02-2009, 05:33 PM
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Ono......
I have to ask do you shoot it

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Old 04-02-2009, 06:35 PM
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Onomea, as you know, I never get tired of seeing your Bowen. I am fortunate enough to have three Bowen's with another in the early planning stages also involving Dan Love. Of course it will go to Paul as well. You continue to be dangerous to my wallet. But like others on our forum, we all seem to enjoy looking at them much as we enjoy a great painting or sculpture. Quite simply, in todays stress filled world it is very satisfying to escape from the pressures of life and "contemplate that which we enjoy". I look forward to seeing your next "project" and hopefully in the near future will be able to post pictures of mine. Best regards, Joe.
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I received this 6-7 weeks ago.
A Bowen .45 Colt Heavy Duty with Keith Brown magna custom grips. It started life as a very early post war 38/44 HD. Now with a new look on life in the big bore .45 it should have been all along
I have a milt sparks holster on order but that will be another 2 months till it arrives.
Anyway desided to take a few quick snaps and will take a few better ones when the holster shows up.
BTW.... I've yet to pull the trigger


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Do any of you who have Bowen guns actually shoot them?
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:53 AM
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The Gila Bender, yes I do. They shoot even better than they look. Hamilton tunes and adjusts them when he does his "super" conversion. My reason initially for the work was to have a fixed sight heavy duty 45 Colt for use. The fact that it is a work of art was a side benefit. His conversions are a pleasure to own on multiple levels. His work on Rugers and Colts is as interesting. Best Regards, Joe.
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Old 04-04-2009, 05:28 PM
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Onomea, When you showed that gun online right after you got, I saved all of the photos. To my eye, that is the prettiest handgun I have ever seen. Just the right amount of engraving, and the finish is perfect (not too shiny, not too dull, perfect color). Those grips are the staggering topping to the cake. I often gaze at that gun's photos and think what I blessed guy you are to end up with such a fine piece. I recall that it wasn't your original intent, that it sort of evolved while in production? Thanks for sharing the photos again. God Bless, Marc
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Ono. that gun is so sweet.
and you previous statement is very heartfelt and dead on.

i kinda wish i had not sold my 4 inch HD now...

where did you get those grips ?

Did Bowen farm out all the work, (blueing & case hardening, engraving, gold wire, etc) ?
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:16 AM
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38/44 HD45, I agree with you. With my own approach to collecting, I have pretty much just decided to do what pleases me, and exquisite craftsmanship, artistry, surely does! (I'm working on another project now, an engraved Detective Special. Haven't settled on an engraver yet...)

Gman, I haven’t shot it yet, but I do expect to get around to it!

Joe, I am lookin’ forward to seeing your twin 38/44s, if I recall correctly, when Paul gets done with ‘em, and your Dan Love engraving, too. That oughta be a sight!

Marc, thank you for the kind words. I, too, believe that I am very fortunate to be able to have something like this gun. And your memory is correct – originally I hadn’t planned on engraving, but decided to go for it when I realized I would have to wait another year anyway before I could get back to the States and take delivery. I am glad it worked out the way it did.

ElToro, the grips are by Paul Persinger, of El Paso, Texas. If there’s anyone out there who carves ivory grips more beautifully, I haven’t seen ‘em:



He is making me a set now with a nude carving for the DS I mention above.

Bowen does work on the gun, and ensures that the conversion comes off properly. I think his shop does the bluing as well. Dan Love and Paul Persinger are independent artisans who sometimes work with him, as you can see in his book, The Custom Revolver. (Well worth having by the way!) Doug Turnbull's shop does the case hardening for Bowen. And each customer probably has his own ideas about what he wants done, as I did.

But Hamilton Bowen is the guy who puts it all together.
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Old 04-05-2009, 02:24 AM
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Sure I shoot my Bowen converted 5" pre 27 every opportunity I get, it's the sweetest shooting S&W I own.
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Old 04-06-2009, 03:22 AM
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I received this 6-7 weeks ago.
A Bowen .45 Colt Heavy Duty with Keith Brown magna custom grips. It started life as a very early post war 38/44 HD. Now with a new look on life in the big bore .45 it should have been all along BTW.... I've yet to pull the trigger



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What a screamer!! It's a rare thing of beauty and craftsmanship. You haven't pulled the trigger, but the usual line is showing on the cylinder already probably from Bowan's testing/tuning. Not trying to be critical, but doesn't Hamilton put a mirror finish on the cylinder bolt to mitigate the line?

Thanks for super pictures.
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Originally posted by Hondo44:

"You haven't pulled the trigger, but the usual line is showing on the cylinder already probably from Bowan's testing/tuning. Not trying to be critical, but doesn't Hamilton put a mirror finish on the cylinder bolt to mitigate the line?"

My Bowen .45 Colt came with the beginnings of what rapidly became a pronounced cylinder line. I contacted Bowen who replied that it is a characteristic of some bolts to do that. He can polish and such to try to reduce the effect, but some guns do it anyway. He offered to refinish mine for me, but said it would just do it again.

I believe he is right. I bought a 5 inch 1950 Target in .44 Special from Jim Supica about 10 years ago and the "fine refinish" very promptly wore the widest turn line around the cylinder that I have ever seen.
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Old 04-06-2009, 05:40 AM
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Gman,

What a screamer!! It's a rare thing of beauty and craftsmanship. You haven't pulled the trigger, but the usual line is showing on the cylinder already probably from Bowan's testing/tuning. Not trying to be critical, but doesn't Hamilton put a mirror finish on the cylinder bolt to mitigate the line?

Thanks for super pictures.[/QUOTE]

When it came in to my FFL I opened the packing box, gave him the s/n and put it in a rug to take it home. So I know it's not been turnd since it was shipped. To look at it you don't notice the line near as much as a $1600 lens picks up

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POLISHING and/or TUNING THE CYLINDER BOLT

Just like Ruger SA guns, even with perfectly timed actions, by engineering design, the bolt on Smith DAs is raised too early in the cylinder rotation cycle. Eventually you will get a line on DAs and Ruger SAs, 1/2 way to the next cylinder notch. But it should never be completely around the cylinder; that's a timing and/or handling problem.

Having said that, I got tired of accepting those lines on any of my guns Single or double actions.
The single most important preventative action I suggest and the 1st thing I do on any revolver I obtain, new or used is to pull the cylinder (or open it, in the case of DAs) and polish the cylinder bolt! They all come with file marks just waiting to carve out a line and groove in your cylinder finish!! With a VERY FINE abrasive wheel in your dremel tool, polish out the file marks and then with a felt buffing wheel and white rouge (for stainless steel) put a mirror finish on it. Don't forget to mask off the frame and breech face all around the bolt with duct tape because the dremel will slip off the bolt. And don't over do it unless it needs reshaping anyway to better fit your cylinder notches. If you do nothing else, this is something you can do to avoid that ugly cylinder ring or at least delay it for a long time!

I'm getting less patient in my old age and more sophisticated in my solutions. Since I tune Smith's all the time I decided to tune up the "engineering'. The "trigger hook" (official name) on the front end of the trigger operates the cylinder bolt by engaging and pushing down on the "point" of the cylinder stop/bolt. Anyone who has ever taken off a sideplate and pulled the trigger has seen it. No doubt, the too early "bolt drop" was engineered in years ago for good reason: during rapid and hard double action shooting, no one wants 'cylinder bypass!

By experimenting with new unfitted parts, and extending the bolt point and/or trigger hook with tig welding (like used in rebuilding Colt single action hammers) the bolt drop can be delayed. All I wanted was to delay it long enough to drop into the approach ramp to the cylinder notch instead of the cylinder surface. It's obtainable without compromising reliability.

Starting with Model 29-3E in 1987 by 1990 the Model 29 enduarnce package was completed with the final addition of deeper bolt notches. This I think makes my remedy even more reliable on 29s.

I'm surprised gunsmiths don't offer this 'tune up' as far as I know. Probably just a lack of market demand. There's a similar solution that has been devised (not by me) for Ruger SAs which is even simpler. However I have too many Smiths and too little time to tune the cylinder bolt on all of them and polishing the bolt is an 85% improvement...100% on guns used less often.
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Hamilton Bowen prefers to work on S&W's that have not been refinished or modified. I sent him an ex-Pueblo P.D. .38-44 for the .45 Colt conversion in 2005. It had been reblued and needed some tune-up action work. He returned it to me and suggested I find a nicer revolver for a conversion as cosmetic repairs are very time consuming (a phrase for "expensive" and "hard to do well"). The extra money spent on a better base gun is usually well spent.

A generous forum member helped me out by selling me a pretty nice transitional 4 incher for a more-than-fair price. I shipped it off to Mr. Bowen. He did a wonderful job. It ran about $1,250 altogether.

Expensive? That is relative, but for me, yes, expensive. Worth it? Again, relative, but yes, it was! I doubt Hamilton is getting rich as there is a huge amount of highly skilled work done on one of his jobs.

This was the sixgun I have always wanted. I don't understand why S&W never made it as a standard catalog item, and still don't understand why, after they made the excellent new Model 22-4 in .45 ACP, they haven't released the same gun in the popular, longer .45 Colt cartridge.

His current price list is on his web site: + Bowen Classic Arms + 404 .








I was searching for info and this thread came up on a google search.

This is the Bowen conversion that my brother BUFF had done.
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I was searching for info and this thread came up on a google search.

This is the Bowen conversion that my brother BUFF had done.
Beautiful gun. Very interesting thread from the dead. Reading through the comments, you would think that no one would acquire a nice HD unless they planned to convert it to Colt 45. Guess I needed someone at the range yesterday to tell me how much fun I was not having shooting mine.
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This is a blast from the past! I wound up selling my Bowen conversion. See post 36 here: A few I wished I kept
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This is a blast from the past! I wound up selling my Bowen conversion. See post 36 here: A few I wished I kept
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Did ya let your holster and belt go with it???
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(pictured with my ol 3rd model)

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I NEED that leather rig and stocks for my 4" WK.
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Well......I bet you could find one around here somewheres.......
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Dave, I did. That holster and belt were absolutely gorgeous, and were just perfect for the gun. As I mentioned in the other thread, the guy I sold it to chased me for a coupla years trying to buy the gun, and when I sold it to him for what I had in it, I did not have the heart to separate the gun from the rig.

That was very fine work, Dave. I appreciate it.
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Here's a perspective that might help in regard to rationalizing this sort of custom work:
Consider the works of Stradivarius, of violin fame. I only know of one that still exists in it's original state. All the others have been worked and modified. The best sounding ones are the ones that get played a lot. And, they show the wear and tear.

These custom HDs are masterpieces of the gunmaker's art.

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This thread reopens a sore wound... Hamilton Bowen no longer does work on Smith & Wessons.

It sure was good while it lasted. There have been a lot of great, inspirational custom S&Ws come out of that shop over the years.

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That is just beautiful, thanks for sharing.
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Did ya let your holster and belt go with it???
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I learned a long time ago to always keep your holsters if you sell a gun. You usually wind up buying a similar sized handgun and now you have to buy another holster.

And if you own one made by Dave Keith, don't sell a masterpiece! I have one that he made for me and it and it ain't fer sale!
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This thread reopens a sore wound... Hamilton Bowen no longer does work on Smith & Wessons.

It sure was good while it lasted. There have been a lot of great, inspirational custom S&Ws come out of that shop over the years.

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Hamilton Bowen did some of the best work around, no doubt. But he isn’t the only guy who ever turned an N frame into a .45 Colt. Our own Keith44Spl has done some spectacular work. I’ve shown this one before - a pre-27 converted to .45 Colt with Keith Brown stocks. I have it now and it is some kinda shooter!

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Hamilton Bowen did some of the best work around, no doubt. But he isn’t the only guy who ever turned an N frame into a .45 Colt. Our own Keith44Spl has done some spectacular work. I’ve shown this one before - a pre-27 converted to .45 Colt with Keith Brown stocks. I have it now and it is some kinda shooter!

Agreed. Unfortunately mi amigo Keith44Spl doesn’t take orders from the general public, so not as many folks get to experience his artistry first hand... more’s the pity! I’m sure folks on this board would keep him busy 24/7 if they could. There are also some known craftsmen who ARE open to the general public like Clements and Horvath, among others, and they do some truly lovely work. I was just commenting on the fact that we had lost one of the greats when Bowen stopped working on S&Ws, an undeniable loss to the community.

Even though my tastes generally run to revolvers of the smaller persuasion, I wouldn’t turn my nose up at a nice custom built 44 Special with 4 or 5” barrel and micro-adjustable sights... say a Third Model with King Target sights. Yep, if I ever win the Publishers’ Clearinghouse Drawing, WATCH OUT!

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