I'll start with one of the great deals R.M.Vivas sold a few years ago, the box full of ex-NYPD guns he got from Yonkers Raceway. He sent mine with a copy of the NYPD Property Ledger that showed this revolver was issued (or sold, however they did that) to Officer Alexander Sterling, February 25, 1959. It's a 4" .38 Special M&P, the serial number shows it was made in 1957.



This revolver has a lot of holster wear, as you can imagine, but still shoots as good as the day it was made. Lots of wear to the right side grip from getting in and out of police cars...

How it wound up in a "Down in the Dumps" horsetrack would be an interesting story. Now it's out to pasture with me, shot occassionally, cleaned and put away for the next range day.

I'll start with one of the great deals R.M.Vivas sold a few years ago, the box full of ex-NYPD guns he got from Yonkers Raceway. He sent mine with a copy of the NYPD Property Ledger that showed this revolver was issued (or sold, however they did that) to Officer Alexander Sterling, February 25, 1959. It's a 4" .38 Special M&P, the serial number shows it was made in 1957.



This revolver has a lot of holster wear, as you can imagine, but still shoots as good as the day it was made. Lots of wear to the right side grip from getting in and out of police cars...

How it wound up in a "Down in the Dumps" horsetrack would be an interesting story. Now it's out to pasture with me, shot occassionally, cleaned and put away for the next range day.

From the best PD in this great nation:

M60 NY-1



M64 NY-1



M64 NY-1



M64 NY-1



M10-8



M64 NY-1

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Very classy lookin' piece, Chuck. I'll bet it rode the hip of a high ranking officer.

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No fair posting the wife's gun Chuck

Shipped mid-March 1946, single gun shipment, early SV serial number, original stocks. Gave it to my brother a few months ago.
Ed

Curtis, you just better hope LadyFed isn't reading this post.

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ED,

Very nice old M&P! Looking good for 50+ years old. Your brother is a lucky man.

Jerry

Is this a NYPD Smith only thread?

It was supposed to be. Nothing stopping you from posting or starting your own topic. Fire away.

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OK, here's another R.M. Vivas special he got from some retiring NYPD Patrolman. He sold it to a friend of mine for an unbelievably low price because it was the ugliest revolver you have ever seen. Hardly any finish left on it, pitted heavily under the grips. Maybe never cleaned. My friend sent it off to Smith and Wesson for a refinish in matte blue ($170). They also replaced a few worn parts while they had it apart. It came back looking good, but they had to polish off so much metal under the grips to remove the pits, the grips no longer fit! A little judicious use of a wood file and sandpaper, and all was well again. The only problem, you can't put a new set of grips on it unless you custom fit them! I guess you could put a set of Pachmeyers on it....



He got tired of it and sold it to me, I have shot it in a few IDPA matches, shoots great. This is the revolver the wife keeps close by when I'm not at home.



It is a 10-8, serial number puts it being manufactured in 1982.

When I left NYPD in 04, $25 was the going rate for selling a revolver to another cop or local PD gun shop. I did'nt even bother turning my model 10 or 38 in, just left in Locker and they probably were destroyed. Wifey kept her model 64 though, and when I handle it, I can't believe how heavy it is compared to Glocks we now carry. Truly a different era.

RM, that 10-8 was sold to me by a current NYPD Det, probably was not duty issue. I may have been overzealous in posting the pic. It likely has no NYPD provenance.
If you still want the serial #, let me know. It's a 3 incher, fyi.

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Well, I grew up near the Racetrack, seems long ago. Once upon a time the Yonkers raceway was a booming place. People would come from all around, the stands were full, cars lined up to get in. Some time in the 1970s NYC started Off Track Betting, that and New Jersey opened the Meadowlands track, the YR had pretty much died. Any how I can recall the Raceway Police carrying side arms. I would imagine that they were much like the casino security is in the big casinos are. There must have been lots of money in the building at the time. The NYC connection must come from that the YR is exactly 1 mile north of NYC. Its so close that at one time the rumors were that they were going to extend the subway (above ground el) from the Bronx to the Raceway...

So, the Yonkers Raceway wasnt always a dump. Today its some slot machine parlor. I dont know if they even have horse races anymore?


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I reread this post, I feel that I come off harsh in the way I wrote it. Wasn't my intent to be corrective or mean. I just wanted to tell a story, and it didnt seem to come out right.

I met someone who works security there, just the other night, he says they still have horse racing. Didn't ask the extent of it.

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RM graciously looked up the revolver I posted on the first page of this thread and responded with the following info and commentary:


Your gun #VS771010 was sold by the New York City Police Department to Probationary Patrolman Jolue(?) P. Delauey(?) Shield #9178 on February 3, 1947. this information appear in Book 46-48 page 137.

As an interesting aside, the gun sold right before yours was #836162 and was sold to Probationary Patrolman Jolue J. Delauey Jr. Shield #9174!!!

A father/son pair? Cousins? Interesting. First time I'd ever seen this.


The gun to which he refers has a stamp on the backstrap of 9178, the same number as the shield of Officer Delauey. And all along I thought it was a rack or inventory number. Interesting that the police force bought the guns in order to sell them to their officers. Was that an option to buy them as opposed to having one issued?
Thanks RM.

Ed

"Was that an option to buy them as opposed to having one issued?"

Probably not. Many PDs required you to buy or furnish your own handgun, subject to their rules and regs.

An officer I worked with went to work for a small Alabama town. It was his first law enforcement job. Asked if he had a handgun or any uniforms, he replied "No". The PD found a shirt in his size and gave him a pump shotgun. He wore the uniform shirt with blue jeans and carried the shotgun over his shoulder as he worked night shift on foot patrol in town, mainly shaking door knobs.

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I bought a Smith & Wesson Military & Police, pre-Model 10, in .38 Special in blued finish with a four inch barrel, a few months back at a local flea market. The revolver was in very good condition overall with the exception being the later replacement grips which had been painted black. The rest of the gun was in excellent condition. I noticed on the butt of the gun adjacent to the serial number a set of hand stamped, after market, numbers. The numbers were "6192" and were located directly under the "S" in the factory applied serial number. I took it that the gun was probably a police issued weapon or possibly some type of guard gun. I paid $275 for it. $40 and about a month and a half later I received a letter from Smith & Wesson by Roy Jinks that solved the mystery.....

"... Our records show this handgun was shipped on September 27, 1946, and delivered to New York City Police Department, New York City, N.Y."

I was pleasantly surprised to say the least.

Here is the one I am waiting for delivery of next week. I am excited to not just get this Model, but the fact it was a part of the NY Police is just cool to me.

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Here's mine, courtesy of Mr. Vivas:





Here's the officer's shield number. Good Mr. Vivas was kind enough to look it up for me, and I lost the info in a computer dump. I recall it was issued to a new patrolman circa 1946:

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Did my twenty plus w/NYPD. Carried a model 10 til 2004 ( retirement ). Never knew the job authorized stainless or nickel revolvers. Always thought Blue and Pach's was only option. Am I incorrect ?

Nickle revolvers were authorized for both on duty and off duty carry up until the late 1960's
IIRC it went something like this

After a friendly fire incident involving a 2 police officers (one in plain clothes) who was shot. The nickle revolver was though to be one of the contributing factor.

Blue steel revolvers only became mandatory as a result for the next 20 odd years.

Stainless model revolvers were authorized for carry after around 1987
Someone else please chime in if my memory is faulty.

That's pretty much the way I remember it. And then in or shortly after 1987 DAO and no hammer spur for newbies, and then shortly after that the 9mm's became authorized.

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The bottom photo is a 36, original everything including stamped tyler...straight from the equipment section of 1pp in 1983

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Anyone looking for a NYPD revolver (NY-1), Michi-Gun has a beautiful S&W model 64 with a 2" barrel, bobbed hammer, D/A only.
Michi-Gun

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Any idea on price? Vapor honed or brushed?

It had a matte finish (vapor honed?). I believe it was priced at $550.00.

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Thanks, I just spoke with Rich. Sounds nice but a bit too pricey for me. Hope someone here gets it though.

Just spoke to my brother 25 years with NYPD retired in 2000, said that you could pick up the off duty 2 inch from the NYPD Store for 65.00 then he still has his -------

When I was there you could buy your gun through the dept., but they did not issue any handguns. This was in the mid 1970's. I believe I paid $68.00 for a new model 10. The only off duty's that were allowed at that time was a mod 36 Smith, or the Colt Det. spec., eveything had to be blue. The reason for only these guns was, so I was told, was if someone pulled a gun out in plain clothes and it was something else, he probably wasn't a cop. Don't know if that really was the case. They were probably only trying to limit the choices.

Here are a couple, one for sure and a maybe I have'nt been able to attribute to a particular department so why not NYC?
First a .32 HE, I don't know how common they are but no one has mentioned one yet. Nothing special, maybe 80% with a rack #254.


The other is a .38 perfected with a rack number S273 on the butt and "P.S. Connor" engraved somewhat simply on the backstrap. There are a number of these floating around but I haven't found an accurate attribution yet. Any one have any ideas?

I collect NYPD guns, but trying to get all of them would bankrupt me-so I decided to focus on 1989-present. All my pre-89s are up for sale.

An early heavy barreled Model 10



a Colt Official Police that belonged to patrolman Kenneth Kendras that was issued to him in 1957. Somewhere along the line he had a small badge inlaid into the right grip.

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David-

I don't think that's an Official Police. I think you have one of the rare Marshal guns, which were basically a round-butted OP.

What inscription is on the bbl.? If it says OP, you must have an altered gun or maybe some were marked that way, although they had round butts. That'd be a new Colt, to me.

T-Star

My understanding is that almost all Colt Marshals had a M suffix to the serial number. If the Serial Number ends in the letter M then Texas Star pegged it.

I think Colt sent RB Official Polices to NYPD. Seems there's quite a few of them.

You may have something there. I've never seen one here. Saw just one Marshal. They aren't common.

I hope David tells us what he has. I was interested to know that there are "quite a few" round-butt OP's.

I can certainly see why a cop would prefer one, not only for hand fit, but for less wear on coat linings.

T-Star

I'm happy to say that I benefited from this haul of revolvers. I was gratified to pick up one of the Official Police revolvers that appears in this photograph. I'm pretty certain that it is the 7th one up, on the right.

I need to take a better photograph of it. Shown here (top) with a World War II Colt Commando (bottom).

My NYPD revolvers. Carried often, used seldom. Proud to own them.
S&W M 64's NY-1 and M 60 NY-1

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Mine is not M marked. Over the years it's looking more like the M marking isn't the "for sure" indicator it was once thought to be.

Here are a few, the bottom two are not NYPD
I used the model 64's on patrol. My NYPD's are re done by S&W.

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My Rugers. All NYPD. All lettered.

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Few more S&W's. All carried workhorses.
S&W M 640 "CENTENNIAL", S&W M 36 RB, S&W M 36 SB, S&W M 10-8

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Current authorized Service and Conceal carry Semi Automatics
S&W 5946,SIG P226,GLOCK 26,KAHR K9,S&W 3953 TACTICAL
*KAHR K9 no longer authorized for new recruits

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forgot the glock 19 as an authorized duty pistol in addition to the autos you did show

I also own a Glock 19. It gets left behind at work. Photos to follow.