I’m in the process of getting my 2nd model 44spl back to its original configuration. I’ve acquired the proper grips. Now I need a butt swivel and pin. So I have some questions are they all the same k/n frames? Are they blued or case hardened? Are the victory’s parkerized? Are there reproductions? As always any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Dave
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A case-hardened swivel is correct for your .44 Special.

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John 3:16
WAR EAGLE!

There were at least three variations for original Victory swivels, I have seen none that were Parkerized. Neither were the vast majority of Victory revolvers. There are reproduction Victory swivels available. See eBay. I do not know if there are differences in the designs of N-frame and K-frame swivels, if they are interchangeable, or if there are N-frame swivel replicas.

No difference between K and N frame butt-lanyard rings. The oblong swivel was first used on the Model 1899 and migrated to the N frame 44s. There may have been small changes made, but not sure if anyone can tell exactly what the changes were??

Numrich Gun Parts has them for sale. I believe some offered may be parkerized, so look for the smooth finish type.

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Gary
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I got mine from Sarco for my 1942 BSR.

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Mike
S&WCA #3065

Title made me LOL

Me TOO!!! Must be a 'Burgh-thing. Hahahaha!!!

glowe - thanks for the Numrich heads up. I've been looking for a butt swivel for my 1923 .44 HE for a long time.

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Heavily armed old man.

Right? I didn't want to be the first, but I would have said:


"It used to, but not so much any more!"


Can I grow up past 65?

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Im always here to help if I can. I’m glad the post entertaining and informative.

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Dave
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I could post a pic, but then I'd get banned......

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Even older, even crankier....

Yes, yes it does

“Can we talk about swivels?

There are actually THREE verified varieties, and I suspect FOUR are possible.
1- Originally, swivels have a pin through the lump or boss to keep the loop centered. It is ground flush. Swivels were always case hardened, but
2- June 1, 44 Eng. Order eliminated pin- "new method makes pin unnecessary". I suppose that means there is a partition in the hole for the loop and the loop is folded in. If anyone has one with no pin, tear the loop out and tell us please.
3- Dec 20, 44 Eng Order changed Case colored [“military guns only”] (don't expect a lot of vivid colors) to sandblast and blue because case colors were not uniform.” Lee Jarrett

Yes, there’s a partition in the 6/1/44 and later lanyard swivels w/o the pin. But I didn’t tear the loop out. I was cleaning one to install and put a couple of drops of penetrating oil in one side of the boss to see if it would run out the other side. It did not; must be partitioned. Hondo

Notice the flush pin in Richard's lanyard swivel below. This was deleted by June 1, 44 Eng. Order. So it generally corresponds with the CCH deletion by Dec 20, 44 Eng Order:


Photo credit: RKmesa

S&W vs. Colt lanyard swivels:
There are lanyard swivels with a longer stud on the upper end, which are Colt. They do not fit my S&W 1917 without shortening the stud but the pin hole in the grip frame still will not align with the groove in the stud.


Blued S&W on left, parkerized S&W in middle, and the one on right is the Colt with longer stud on far right (smith’s is .225”). Notice retaining pin groove is also in a different position:


Photo credit: Walter Rego


S&W:



The 1917 stud length for reference, original to my gun is .225" and of course that's indicative of the hole depth in the grip frame butt.


All the K & N frame elongated (oval) butt swivels are the same, have the same stud that goes into the frame, and are case colored until the Dec 1944 change order.

CCH swivels, ideal correct one for a 1917 and for a 455:

Photo credit: lestert357

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Jim
S&WCA #819

Hondo44,
Thats the detailed info I was hoping for.
Thank you.

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Dave
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