Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961
Forum Register Expert Commentary Members List


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-20-2009, 07:13 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I have been given my grandfather's old pistol and was hoping that someone could help me identify it's age, etc. It is a .38 S&W Special, U.S. Service CTG's, nickel finish is in excellent condition, pearl handle, serial number 47619, 4" barrel, hammer and trigger has different finish than the rest of the pistol. On top of the barrel there is an inscription...

Smith Wesson Springfield Mass USA
Patd April 9 89. March 27 94. May 21.95. July 16.95 Aug 4.96 Dec 22. 96. Oct 6.01 Dec 17.01

If anyone can give me some information/history...I would greatly appreciate it.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-20-2009, 07:13 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I have been given my grandfather's old pistol and was hoping that someone could help me identify it's age, etc. It is a .38 S&W Special, U.S. Service CTG's, nickel finish is in excellent condition, pearl handle, serial number 47619, 4" barrel, hammer and trigger has different finish than the rest of the pistol. On top of the barrel there is an inscription...

Smith Wesson Springfield Mass USA
Patd April 9 89. March 27 94. May 21.95. July 16.95 Aug 4.96 Dec 22. 96. Oct 6.01 Dec 17.01

If anyone can give me some information/history...I would greatly appreciate it.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-20-2009, 07:40 PM
pace40's Avatar
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA.
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 9
Liked 1,238 Times in 251 Posts
Default

Welcome to the forum. This is a pretty nice way to start. (Pictures)....You have a (pictures) 38 Military Model (pictures) of 1902 1st change (if my memory is working). Should be a round butt (pictures) and the grips, if they are factory, (pictures) would have a logo medallion.

Did I mention we'd love to see some pictures?
__________________
Pace
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-21-2009, 07:24 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Would gladly post pics but I do not have permission to do this. Who do I contact to get permission to upload pics?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-21-2009, 07:30 PM
s&wchad's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Great Lakes State
Posts: 10,848
Likes: 1,083
Liked 2,100 Times in 732 Posts
Default

Welcome to the forum.

How to post pics:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...0103904/m/3011047303
__________________
"I also cook."
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-22-2009, 12:07 PM
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,134
Commentaries: 1
Likes: 31
Liked 1,456 Times in 341 Posts
Default

Mike

Bet'cha it's not a 1st change, but just a 1902.

Reason is that, for a 4 " barrel, the patent date roll markings are still on the
top of the barrel. If it were a 1st change, they would be on the side of the
barrel.

If we get some pictures, I bet there is no shoulder on the barrel, where it meets
the frame. If there is a shoulder, and with top roll markings, then we have an
example of the very earliest of the 1st change models. In that case, it would be
very interesting to see a picture of the roll markings. I've never seen, nor heard,
of one where the roll markings might have gone up the shoulder.

Regards, Mike Priwer
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-22-2009, 02:03 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I have posted some pics of the pistol.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lu...#5316120153305481042

Please let me know if you are unable to view the pics or need additional pics. Thanks!

CD
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM
pace40's Avatar
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA.
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 9
Liked 1,238 Times in 251 Posts
Default

Couple of notes...

1) Grips are aftermarket pearls
2) I still believe its a 1st change
3) I also believe its a 5 inch barrel. Measure the barrel from the front of the cylinder face to the end of the barrel.

Pics are a little to fuzzy to be sure of overall condition. Cool gun though.
__________________
Pace
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-22-2009, 06:12 PM
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,134
Commentaries: 1
Likes: 31
Liked 1,456 Times in 341 Posts
Default

Mike

All bets are off ! As you note, its not a 4", and there is clearly a shoulder on
the barrel. So - 1902 1st change.

Regards, Mike Priwer
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-22-2009, 06:24 PM
pace40's Avatar
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA.
Posts: 1,848
Likes: 9
Liked 1,238 Times in 251 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by mikepriwer:
Mike

All bets are off ! As you note, its not a 4", and there is clearly a shoulder on
the barrel. So - 1902 1st change.

Regards, Mike Priwer
Sure...just when I can finally win one, you cancel the bet.
__________________
Pace
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-22-2009, 07:08 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I have taken some additional pics that seem to be less blurry.

1) How can you tell if the grips are an aftermarket grip vs. factory?
2)What is the difference!bewtween the 1st and 2nd change? Did S&W modify the handgun?
3) I measured the barrel as instructed and it appears to measure 5"

What would something like this be worth? How much would the aftermarket grips devalue the handgun? Thanks for all your help!

http://picasaweb.google.com/luvsurf2/38SpecialPics#
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-22-2009, 07:36 PM
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,134
Commentaries: 1
Likes: 31
Liked 1,456 Times in 341 Posts
Default

This is a model of 1902, because it has the lug under the barrel , to retain the extractor
rod. Its a 1st change because it has the beefed-up barrel and receiver, which is
indicated by the shoulder on the barrel, right where it meets the frame face. This was
a factory engineering change, and not a modification to the gun.

Round-butt pearls almost always, in this period of time, have gold medallions in their
upper part. From the pictures, the area where the medallions would be, is too large.
And, they don't fit the gun quite right . You can see misfit where the ears on the grips
meet the frame. The ears hang over a bit.

Effectively, the gun has non-factory grips. Had those grips been gold-medallion pearls,
the gun would be worth several hundred dollars more, than it is now. These grips do have
some value. As it is, the gun is probably $300 to $350 , maybe as much as $400 to
some buyer.

Later, Mike Priwer
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-22-2009, 07:37 PM
SWCA Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,134
Commentaries: 1
Likes: 31
Liked 1,456 Times in 341 Posts
Default

Quote:
Sure...just when I can finally win one, you cancel the bet.
Oh, brother !
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-22-2009, 08:40 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Thanks for the info Mike! You have been a huge help...
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-23-2009, 07:13 AM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by luv2surf:
I have posted some pics of the pistol.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lu...#5316120153305481042

Please let me know if you are unable to view the pics or need additional pics. Thanks!

CD
Did you move the pictures? I've been Gun Showing all weekend but would have like to see the pictures anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-23-2009, 06:03 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Sorry...I took additional pics to try and make them a little clearer...try this link.

http://picasaweb.google.com/luvsurf2/38SpecialPics#
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 03-30-2009, 08:25 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Sorry to intrude, but I have some questions about a 38 spl also. You all sound knowledgeable and I would like your in put.

Here is a link to the post in this forum.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/e...&r=59510294#59510294
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 04-20-2014, 06:04 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Ft Worth Tx.
Posts: 17
Likes: 0
Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts
Default

serial number says its a 1st Change,..
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 04-20-2014, 09:18 PM
Alk8944's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Sandy Utah
Posts: 3,749
Likes: 199
Liked 978 Times in 544 Posts
Default

luv2surf,

Here is what Mike was talking about. Gold Medallion factory Mother-of-Pearl stocks. The medallions are cropped from the larger picture.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Frontier 2.jpg
Views:	18
Size:	72.1 KB
ID:	150804   Click image for larger version

Name:	Frontier 5.jpg
Views:	19
Size:	60.9 KB
ID:	150805  
__________________
Gunsmithing S&W since 1961
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
Reply

Tags
military, round butt, springfield

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 Thread, .38 S&W Special US Service CTG's in Smith & Wesson Revolvers; I have been given my grandfather's old pistol and was hoping that someone could help me identify it's age, etc. ...
Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
S&W Special US Service CTG'S History walter16735` S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 30 05-01-2013 12:13 AM
B 8 S&W Special US Service CTG 8 WayneFielder S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 12 02-06-2012 07:39 PM
.38 Cal S&W Secrect Service Special 1917 ronmeyer New Members Introduction 10 07-14-2010 11:15 PM
.38 special 158 gr service load SW CQB 45 Reloading 11 06-04-2009 11:40 AM
Remington 38 Special Police Service Ammo Riccur Reloading 3 04-10-2009 05:16 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:31 PM.


S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2015
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)