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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Old 01-22-2013, 12:35 PM
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Thought I would show my Roper 1911 grips that I picked up this past fall.
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Here is my only pair
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What a great thread! Thanks for bringing it back again.

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REG #3714 with a set of Ropers from Ray Cheely's collection (the grips not the gun).
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Keith Brown Ropers.

A pair of Ropers on an Official Police I bought for the grips. Somebody added Micro sights
& it shoots so nicely I kept the Ropers on it. Look how dirty it is from that shooting session- I shoot it a lot.

This .32 Officers Model has Sanderson stocks with a Roper front sight
& a fancy hammer that may or may not be from Roper.


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Ok I'll take the rap. I'm GUILTY. I bought the gun just to have the stocks!

I already had a nice first model K22 Outdoorsman. But then I saw this on GB.com and had to have the stocks. I initially thought I would buy it all and sell the gun. Nooooooooooooooo!

It all came, and I decided the gun is a great shooter. Keep it all! Now this gun with its fabulous stocks lives in my range bag and accompanies me to the range every trip.

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Haven't found my first set of Ropers so Keith made me a set. Couldn't find an original K-32 so Andy Horvath built this one and made the bbl 5". Someday, I'll find a K-32 with Ropers but right now this will have to do. Larry
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Bought this .22 Single Shot Third Model from a fellow SWCA member.
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Here are my three sets of Ropers.

The first set are shown on my 5 screw K38 Masterpiece.

The second set is my 1937 .22 Colt Officer's Model Target.

The last set is on my 1937 vintage Registered Magnum.











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Just picked up a new set of Ropers.

There's good, there's bad, but overall I am very pleased. I really needed to handle a set of these "Trigger Stop" stocks (if that's a good name for them?).

I think the pictures tell the tale, no screw, absolute butchery on the left panel. The fit is still excellent, right hand palm swell, they fit my hand beautifully.

The trigger stop is.. odd. Until I have a screw I can't actually shoot with them, but dry firing is interesting. They are usable SA and very odd, but I think maybe good, with DA. The stocks stop your finger at just the right point before firing, then you sort of flex your knuckle a bit and you finish the pull.

I can both understand why these never went anywhere (it's weird and of dubious functionality), never the less I do really love them.











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What was the idea behind Butchering the Left Panel? I just can't see what they where trying to accomplish
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I was wondering the same thing. Looks like they modified them with a hacksaw.

But..........I still like them very much. I have not seen too many like them.
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Best guess is that they were trying to fit them to a gun. With a hacksaw. On the bright side it's nearly all internal damage, I think what needs to be repaired or cleaned up can be.

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Best guess is that they were trying to fit them to a gun. With a hacksaw. On the bright side it's nearly all internal damage, I think what needs to be repaired or cleaned up.
Looks like they used a Beaver to me.
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This set on the other hand has never had a hacksaw allowed near them.






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Once again this forum needs a button for "ADORE" or "LUST AFTER." That latest pair you show SGS is my dream pair of Ropers. Thanks for sharing (even if they do just frustrate me!

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Once again this forum needs a button for "ADORE" or "LUST AFTER." That latest pair you show SGS is my dream pair of Ropers. Thanks for sharing (even if they do just frustrate me!

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I was exactly in your place a bit over a year ago, and since then I've just been after them like mad. It's not cheap, but its worth it.

If you don't have the time or patience to try for originals get a set of Keith Brown's. I'm an ever more fervent believer in buying the right thing, and frankly if you want a set of fine Roper style stocks his are right. The original ones are sort of collectable in their own right since they were all made for someone else's hands instead of yours. Each set is something you have to plan on loving even if you can't really use them yourself.
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This thread is 5 years old!!! Thanks for breathing life into it. Beautiful grips!
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Those are fantastic. I have a pair with similar features.


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Seems like the thread to post these in. It's one of the main threads that has drive my gun and gun accessory hunting over the past year. The openness and friendliness coupled with the knowledge and out and out astonishing nature of many of the collections of people on this forum are all very inspiring to new collectors such as myself.
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What exactly is going on with that gun.

I see an HBH hammer on what looks like a post war 5 screw something?
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A set of target Ropers from a couple of weeks ago. Hiding underneath the grips is an Colt Officers Model from 1938 or so. Rick

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Here's one that I let someone talk me out of. I hate it when that happens And yes, these are original Ropers with great graining.
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Here's one that I let someone talk me out of. I hate it when that happens And yes, these are original Ropers with great graining.
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WOW!! That might be the best grain I have ever seen on a set of original Ropers.
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Here is some of my collection.

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Here is some of my collection.

Although there do not appear to be any S&W's in that photo - what a great collection of Ropers and the guns that they are attached to. I especially like the Ponies that have have been bridled with those King Super Target ribs. Saddling them with the Ropers is just the icing on the cake!
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I stopped by quickly and saw Don Mundell at the Marlboro gun show over the weekend. He had a sweet set of Ropers that he let me check out. Maybe he can snap a picture of them.
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Here is a set of fully checkered Ropers for a Colt Officer's Model. Note, on the back "HB" is carved into the right grip panel. These were found on a (albeit trashed) Colt OM Heavy Barrel .38. Now they reside on my King Sighted OM .38.



















Twins to the Ropers on my King Modified 38/44 Outdoorsman;







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What exactly is going on with that gun.

I see an HBH hammer on what looks like a post war 5 screw something?
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"Factory records state this handgun was shipped on February 2, 1944 and delivered to Holman Spence, East Longmeadow, MA., approved by David Murray, Sales Department Smith & Wesson. Mr. Jinks states "Based on the fact that the revolver has a refinish mark from March 1941, it would be my opinion that it was built from parts that had been in the factory and reworked prior to the assembly of the handgun in 1944. Mr. Spence was a toolmaker at Smith & Wesson and wrote an article for me about the company that was published in two parts in the July 1972 and December 1972 Smith & Wesson Collectors Association Newsletter." It has a humpback hammer that is not mentioned in Jinks' letter.

I bought this from a dealer near Spence's home. It was rare for Smith & Wesson to produce anything other then Victory Models during WWII.
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[QUOTE=410bore;138165229]Here is a set of fully checkered Ropers for a Colt Officer's Model. Note, on the back "HB" is carved into the right grip panel. These were found on a (albeit trashed) Colt OM Heavy Barrel .38. Now they reside on my King Sighted OM .38.

Fantastic! Those Colt Ropers look much better than I expected! Congrads!
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I bought this from a dealer near Spence's home. It was rare for Smith & Wesson to produce anything other then Victory Models during WWII.
Wow. That's far more fascinating then I could have imagined.

I get the impression that if I ever come into physical contact with your collection I will spontaneously combust due to envy.
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S&W .44 Hand Ejector 1st Model #1103

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I get the impression that if I ever come into physical contact with your collection I will spontaneously combust due to envy.
Are you going to be in Spokane. I'm planning on going, but, a four day drive will limit the amount of guns I bring. I displayed my Roper collection at Columbus.
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I most certainly will be. I'm looking forward to it immensely.
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Here are two more pair. The Birdseye Maples I got from an employee at Smith & Wesson. He got them from a long time employee. The Tiger Stripe Maple I got on a Pre War K-22. Bought the gun for the grips. I don't have a gun to put either pair on that I feel are worthy of either pair.
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Here are two more pair. The Birdseye Maples I got from an employee at Smith & Wesson. He got them from a long time employee. The Tiger Stripe Maple I got on a Pre War K-22. Bought the gun for the grips. I don't have a gun to put either pair on that I feel are worthy of either pair.
WHOA........those two pair might be the nicest 2 pair that I have ever seen!!!! I guess that also proves that Roper did have (though seldom used) a premium woodpile.
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I displayed these a while ago on this thread:

S&W .44 Hand Ejector 1st Model #1103

Since they are appropriate to this thread, here they are again. My nice set of Keith Brown Ropers on my 5" Triple Lock.











Keith is the master. I have no doubt that 75 years from now his work will be admired on a level with those masters of 75 years ago.

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This 1st Issue Detective Special was apparently customized by the King Custom Sight Co. around 1939. According to a contemporaneous King catalog, these were "Double Action" Roper grips.



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This 1st Issue Detective Special was apparently customized by the King Custom Sight Co. around 1939. According to a contemporaneous King catalog, these were "Double Action" Roper grips.



This interests me greatly, I have 2 guns with those exact fixed target sights, and another with those target sights and that hammer.

I've not been able to find anything to indicate King did the work. Do you by any chance have the catalog page that lists this? The hammer seems to be something that was modified by the same person as the sights, and while it's similar to a King Cockeyed Hammer, it's not exactly the same. I believe there are a couple others out there who have similar hammers, but not the hammer/sight combo.

I was actually planning on getting good pictures of my guns that were modified in this way and doing a post on them when mine with both the hammer and sights arrive.

As far as the Ropers on it go, any chance of seeing the backs of them?
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I would refer to those as roper style. I don't believe them to be Ropers. The hardware is all wrong.
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This is a set of Keith's Ropers on a model 58 that Hamilton converted to 45 Colt with a model 25 barrel and his fixed sight. I guess you could call it a half adjustable/half fixed sighted gun.


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Just arrived in today's mail! A wonderful pair of Keith Brown Ropers made in fancy English walnut.

Here they are in radiant beauty on my Model 1955 Target.











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I would refer to those as roper style. I don't believe them to be Ropers. The hardware is all wrong.
What "hardware" are you talking about? I've examined this gun first hand and believe these to be authentic Ropers, FWIW.

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I think he is referring to the escutcheons and screw.

I do not believe those are Ropers either. Everything is wrong, not just the hardware. The diamond, checkering, ribbon, overall shape, everything.
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Kevin,

I think he is referring to the escutcheons and screw.

I do not believe those are Ropers either. Everything is wrong, not just the hardware. The diamond, checkering, ribbon, overall shape, everything.
I agree,Short of seeing the back of the Stocks they do not look correct to me.They are not nearly as refined as most of the Ropers I have seen.
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I agree,Short of seeing the back of the Stocks they do not look correct to me.They are not nearly as refined as most of the Ropers I have seen.
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I have learned the hard way that Nothing is chisled in stone with Roper stock's. I have observed Many pair's of Matheis Gagne's stock's in the past Ten or so Year's and I can tell you that the stock making process DID change through the year's that Matheis Gagne produced his stock's. We as Collector's or Lover's of Roper stock's have to Fully understand that there were actually Three people that made& worked on Roper stock's through the time span that they were offered the latest stock maker Being Matheis Gagne's son Albert Gagne, who Later went on to work for S&W as well as shoot on their Company shooting Team and I Further feel, that it was he that was designer of the Famous Coke Bottle profile Diamond Target stock's as they shared much of his Father's design in them. It has been said that Matheis Gagne did not use any or Much of the high grain definition wood in his stock's, But I beg to differ with that comment as I have a Nicely Grained set of Roper's stock's as shown below It has also been said that if the Square Peg hole's are Not present on the back of his stock's, that they are Not Roper's, Well That is Very Untrue or at best a Long carried Myth as well as here is a Pair of them that do Not have the Square peg hole's that the Expert's seem to claim ALL Roper stock's have to have. We as Collector's, Boastfull Self Proclaimed Expert's, or just simply every day reader's of this Printed material that we So Thrive on as being Biblical in every way tend to always' believe Just what has been printed or said in these Book's about Matheis Gagne's, work Habit's or Supposedly Just how they Manufactured their Stock's. well as a Person who Love's Roper's stock's too I can safely say Now, that All Thing's change as time roll's On as does the Process of how they were Really made whether we want to believe it or not, Tend's to be Our Own Plain Old Stubborness to believe other wise or our Complete Ignorance of these time Proven facts.
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I think he is referring to the escutcheons and screw.

I do not believe those are Ropers either. Everything is wrong, not just the hardware. The diamond, checkering, ribbon, overall shape, everything.
Correct. And the diamond is to large and in my opinion the quality and overall shape is not Roper quality.
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Hammerdown..while I understand what you are saying..I am a Roper collector and have done a lot of study on them and personally own over 20 pair. I use my knowledge to verify if they are real Ropers. I don't just use the jig holes as proof...I use a combination of things like quality..shape ...tool marks...diamond..just to name a few.
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