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What type of grips were used on the 1937 contract Model 1917 for Brazil? Thanks
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What type of grips were used on the 1937 contract Model 1917 for Brazil? Thanks
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My experience: In the late '80s when they were being imported in quantity and I had an FFL, I bought three Brazilian M1917s from two different jobbers. All three had grips identical to the smooth service grips on GI M1917 revolvers.
Your question has been asked before, and wiser folks than me have said that some guns--perhaps the majority?--were shipped with checkered prewar commercial service stocks. I don't question this.
This next is pure speculation, but I wonder if the Brazilians obtained a quantity of USGI stocks back when such sold for peanuts and used them as replacement parts when necessary for the original commercial stocks.
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... wiser folks than me have said that some guns--perhaps the majority?--were shipped with checkered prewar commercial service stocks.
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For what it's worth, I bought a Brazilian Contract M1917 in the early '90s; it did indeed have checkered prewar commercial service stocks.
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... wiser folks than me have said that some guns--perhaps the majority?--were shipped with checkered prewar commercial service stocks.
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For what it's worth, I bought a Brazilian Contract M1917 in the early '90s; it did indeed have checkered prewar commercial service stocks.
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Were they the large silver medallion type?
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Were they the large silver medallion type?
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I recall that they had silver medallions, but I can not say if they were large or small.
I traded it away some years ago and the grips went with it. I did not know the grips had any real value, and besides, I thought that since they had been on the gun since 1937, why separate them now?
Can you tell that I never make any money buying and selling guns?
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Gary,
They were silver large medallion checkered service grips.
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I may just happen to have some of them laying around
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M-1911, if you do, shoot me a picture and a price. I have a Brazilian that needs 'em.
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My Brazilian came w/ 1917 style stocks too.
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Of course, I just realized this thread is over a year old. This is 2007, right?
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Its still a good thread. Look at my post of 14 Feb 07. I just bought a Brazil Contract 1937 this week. It has silver medallion stocks. See the photo.
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In my opinion, being the medallion checkered grips a pre war production, you can find them in brazilians with s/n up to 207043 shipped in 1938. The second delivery of 1946, starting from s/n 207196 should have concerned guns with plain 1917 style grips. Of course brazilians gunsmiths, and maybe US importers, could have perform a little mess.
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I have an all original, non import marked, Brazilian, sn 151565, that has the smooth style, US Model 1917 style grips that are numbered to the gun
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That's normal. The first gun made under 1937 contract bears the s/n 181983. Your gun is a socalled pre-contract made from every kind of 1917 and commercial remnants available.
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Just checked the serial number of my Brazilian and it's 196871. So, I guess I should be looking for the more expensive commercial service stocks with a silver medallion. Those will probably cost more than the gun.
I saw a nice set of stag magnas; maybe I could get away with those. Didn't they have BBQs in Brazil?
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Some Brazilian's have been noted w/ 1917 style top straps and 1917 style "U" shaped rear sight notches. The normal Brazilian rear sight notch is square. This bears out what Artu44 said.
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Since we're talking about this kind of thing, my Brazilian has a diamond with a S above it stamped on the underside of the barrel, next to the serial number. Same stamps are on the cylinder face. Any idea what this is? There's also a number stamped on the rear of the grip frame (mine's 14861).
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Just checked the serial number of my Brazilian and it's 196871. So, I guess I should be looking for the more expensive commercial service stocks with a silver medallion. Those will probably cost more than the gun.
I saw a nice set of stag magnas; maybe I could get away with those. Didn't they have BBQs in Brazil?
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Not a fortune but a 30% of the value of the whole gun. I sold mine to a forum buddy cause they didn't match the s/n of the gun and I got 120$.
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My 1937 is serial number 17xxxx and it has it's original numbered plain,smooth stocks.
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Can anybody tell me if the Brazilian Contract 1917/1937 model is equal in quality to the 1917 used by American forces in WW-II?
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Can anybody tell me if the Brazilian Contract 1917/1937 model is equal in quality to the 1917 used by American forces in WW-II?
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It is.
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Here's mine:
It cleaned up with a fresh bluing. Also had to re-cut the hammer notch, not a big deal. This one has the best trigger pull of any S&W I own.
S/N 1855XX
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Mine is # 14292, has no government markings at all, only the Brazilian crest, and has the plain walnut service stocks that someone "improved" by carving grooves into with a gouge.
Anyone know of a set for sale? Don't care about the numbers matching, but would like a solid set of grips.
Thanks.
Mark
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