K 22 Outdoorsman box.

[GF]

Price of this on an auction site is over $660.



Now I know the K 22 is a fine old expensive revolver but that kind of money for a box!?!
Does this make a revolver WORTH an additional $650?
I own newer S&W revolvers and I too like to find a box that's correct for the gun. I can't imagine why the expense would pay off in the end, in this case.

What do you think?

[GF]

Price of this on an auction site is over $660.



Now I know the K 22 is a fine old expensive revolver but that kind of money for a box!?!
Does this make a revolver WORTH an additional $650?
I own newer S&W revolvers and I too like to find a box that's correct for the gun. I can't imagine why the expense would pay off in the end, in this case.

What do you think?

[smith17]

It's a $200 box at most. That's not what all the fuss is about.
Ed

[Jolly Bill]

It's the couple items that go with the box that's getting the action.

Right now, maybe less than half of what it will end up selling for?

Good stuff!

[rburg]

I know pictures lie. But that said, the box isn't pristine by any stretch of the imagination. I'm seeing an oil stain (exxon valdez) in the lower right corner. Its also got the normal scuffing of a box thats probably 70 years old. I'm thinking the $200 estimate is low, but its not worth $300.

But if the other stuff includes the screwdriver, the package is worth probably $1000 to a needy buyer. Many of us spent years putting together our keeper guns and boxes.

My prediction is that in a few more years you won't be able to locate, much less buy these things. We saw that happen first with RMs, then the 38/44 twins. These are next.

[GF]

Thanks rburg, smith17 and jolly bill.

So the screwdrivers are the draw. Still my question is the same on the high price of accessories.
If the box is a 'coupla hundred, that means two little screwdrivers and some dirty brushes are worth an additional $400?

That brings the price of a K-22 up $650 when you sell it?



This is new to me and I'm just curious as to the "put together" packages bringing the same price as a original complete gun, box and tools.

[rburg]

It would probably add more than $400, and thats the motivation for doing it. I'm liking the two screwdrivers a lot. The big one is probably worth $75, maybe $100. The little tiny one has been quoted at $1,000 before, but I tend to doubt that they change hands for that. The two aluminum cleaning rods are worth a few bucks each. The turkey basting brush is worthless. The blued steel cleaning rod ain't gonna be cheap, and might be worth $50. The looped twisted handle brush will make a fine addition to anyone's collection. I've got no idea about the brush on the right end.

So yes, its still in the bargain category.

At gunshows, a K22 outdoorsman with little else going for it except that its nearly perfect are worth $900, maybe more. With the box and little screwdriver, it wouldn't last long at $2000. Just my take on the subject.

The market has changed a lot over the last few years. To me, that means its doubled in price or more.

[Doc44]

The larger screwdriver appears to have the nickeled steel handle and would probably fetch around $150 in some circles. It will be interesting to see what the total package sells for.

Bill

My Granddad used to call this sort of think a case of:: "A Man with More Money than Good Smarts!" and I figure that is pretty True still today. Right now we are seeing a Collection up for Auction "Down Under" because there is nobody in "the Family" that has enough interest to keep it together and in "the Family" so what is the point? Collect all this "stuff" just so some Auctioneer, Importer and Dealer can make a big bunch of Bucks when you kick off???

I have one Nephew, a Great Nephew and Great Niece who are the Only next generation of Family members left to pass along a couple of guns that belonged to my Grandfather(whom I never knew). The Nephew is a member of the Great American <span class="ev_code_BLUE">UN</span>-Armed Services and his wife(who bugged out of the same Service when she got caught in the First Gulf War) is anti-gun. He has even gone so far as to spent as much of his 18+ years in the Air Force; overseas because he doesn't want his kids raised in THIS Country. He gets NOTHING!!! Not even the many "Things" that I have that came to me from my Mother and Father(Captain, US Army, Retired) that I would "Like" to have stay in the direct Family.

I do have a Cousin(more like a Sibling than my own Sisters) and his Family who have and will get a good number of the "Family Guns" and other "Things" because he and his Wife(a Navy Reservist) and their kids are still strong believers of Family Values! The ones my Father and Mother gave me. They didn't manage to pass those Values along to my Sisters and that is a shame. I'm the "White Sheep" of the Family and unfortunately, I have no kids of my own to pass these guns on to. My Wives' Niece and Nephew might get a few things but their Mother is also very Anti-Gun - she can't explain why, other than the fact that the Bank she manages has been "Robbed" at gun point many times. Of course, it might be noted that this particular Bank is located in the worst part of the City of Seattle and her employees are "Perfect" examples of the 'Hood where the Bank is located. But, then my Sister-in-Law pretty well fits right in as to Type. The Nephew has shown great promise and the Niece is also showing signs of having the Right values.

OMO

[rburg]

KKG, we put these collections together for our own enjoyment. The guns, as you've stated, that were owned by the family are the ones we pass along. The ones we collect will eventually be sold by a "purveyor" like David Carroll or Jim Supica, etc. The fun is in the chase and then owning and looking at them from time to time.

In our youth we couldn't afford that kind of great gun collection. We can now, so we do. The guns I value most are the rare ones I found and bought. There is no way my own family would have bought things like K22s or RMs.

As for family members being unworthy of fine firearms, I agree. Ones that show interest and promise (politically), can inherit. What I hate are nieces and nephews that would just sell the "junk" and buy drugs, electronics, or go to concerts. I'd rather see the guns or proceeds go to people that would enjoy it. In ways I'd approve of, too.

[GF]

So bd Green, since you have someting to actually put in this box and next to those screwdrivers maybe you can answer this question.

Will the expense of buying this make the package of gun, box & tools on a "put together" set worth an additional $660-$1000 more?

Or to put it another way, would the price fall between a gun without a box and one with a nunbers matching box and tools.

[dant]

Give it up, it will never cease to amaze me how some folks cannot 'rationalize' the "whys and where fores" of why others spend their money... I been buying and selling boxes for MORE years than it has been "fashionable" or as today "costly". yet , I still know many that will throw away their boxes in the trash..... go figure......

bottom line is one cannot put any value on what I like to call the "gotta have it factor". If it fits a 'niche' or rounds out a collection or it the last in line to end up with a "complete set" , be prepared to pay..........

Now add in the two drunks who are both bidding on the same item and all reason goes out the window........

Just my .02 cents and yes, that group of items is worth every penny of that and MORE......

[GF]

I never said it wasn't worth the money. The question was to establish value between a gun with no box, a gun with aftermarket tools and one with all matching numbers. I was using the auction as a most expensive example.

Read all of my posts.

I don't have the nice old guns, screwdrivers or boxes you guys have and would like a little info if the opportunity ever presented itself.

If " two drunks bidding... all reason goes out the window " is the standard that these things change hands, then I'm not "prepared to pay...." anything.

[dant]

Oh I read your post and yes, I even agree with you as it cannot ever be answered as I said in my reply... one cannot establish a "set value" when all these variables take place.... only as "examples" such as what one of an item actually sells at auction for 'kind of 'lets you have a value. but the same , exact model or type, gun (item ) at the next auction may not draw anywhere near the same price and even go for less. So now what does THAT doe to "establish" any value??????
Same scenario, when you go through any given gun show and see the prices on the tables, you think most of these folks are out of their minds.....BUT , in reality, at any given gun show, you can stop and "strike up a conversation, show an interest, make an offer, the guy may take a liking to you or tell you to hit the trail", one NEVER knows and we have seen it go all different ways in the plus 40 years we been going to and doing gun shows....same in gun shops and now , on the internet.... only the internet opened it all up to the entire world ,across this country and gives folks who have NO gun shops or NO gun shows , in their area , the oppertunity to buy, bid on and do what ever it takes to get what they need, as I said before , the "gotta have it factor"...................
just don't knock yourself out trying to rationalize why. Been there, done that....

[rburg]

One issue not resolved here is the vast or wide difference in financial resources between individuals. We have members here that have enough money to buy anything that pleases them. Some of us are too cheap to do that and we don't have the unlimited funds.

Yes, the internet has pretty much leveled the playing field between the haves and have not. Thats not a financial measure, but one of proxmity to gun shows.

I've been looking for the kind of package deal that you've posted about for a long time. If you add up all my fruitless trips down state or up into the evil realm of Dant, the cost would easily make the posted pix a bargain.

Listen to Bruce, he has the reasons down to a science. I kind of even agree with his ideas about the correct screwdrivers to include with his K22 2nds. But we don't know for sure. Thats what I've got in the boxes with mine!

[gig-a-hertz]

"You got to know when to hold-em, know when to fold-em, know when to walk away, and know when to run" .....Kenny Rogers

Only I, myself, hold the measuring stick.
It's a personal thing.

[GF]

I suppose it's difficult to know the value of something with no intrinsic value. Gold is $717 an ounce, silver is $13 and old Smith & Wesson accessories are what you and I decide they're worth.
I seldom see the old S&W's picture posted in the box and "as new" so old screwdrivers and original wax paper must be rarer than Registered Magnums!
Of course everyone spends their money as they see fit and no doubt that the right package will be worth a lot of money to the right buyer. Lord knows their out there.

I buy S&W's like these,



so as you can see I'm not a collector of fine old pre-war guns! Just shooters!


At some time though, our treasures WILL sell and at that time a price will be established, the auction that started this post proves that.


Thanks for the info and the replies! GF

[dant]

Evil realm??? Ohio is the "evil realm" well I guess you guys down there in Kintuck, just don't know or sense "evil" when you step in it...........??

Boy, have YOUR prices gone up...........


(See you Saturday.... ha ha.........)

[rburg]

I kind of wondered if you'd catch that!

I'll probably go down to the Lexington show on Satruday, OGCA on Sunday. At least thats my present plan. I promised a buddy I'd go, and I feel bad about it. They went to the Louisville show last weekend without me.

[dant]

Sounds good to me, see you Sunday then, thought the "evil realm" was the 'dumpster diving', unable to find ANY decent boxes for ANYTHING.........cannot afford the auction sites, besides thats for the "end user" anyway, so why drive up the 'prices'....

[Pumaonly]

I am the person who finally put in the high bid. In one purchase I completed a K22 outdoorsman I bought from a fellow member. The box isn't great but The K22 came with it's own box and I got the steel cleaning rod,wire brush and paper work plus the small prewar screwdriver. All of that makes me a happy camper. A buddy has already said he wants the box. I feel that I could trael gunshow for years and not complete the gun the way I did here.

[GF]

Thanks for posting the end of the story. Can you give us a picture of the complete package?
Thanks, GF!

[fat tom]

Congrats Ken! If your buddy reneges on the box.......
f.t.

[dant]

BD, sorry , I didn't know you really needed one, I sold one this weekend to a guy from Michigan at the OGCA on Saturday and I got $170 for it, about the same shape as the one pictured......... oh well, you know I don't do the auctions................