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Old 07-13-2009, 01:40 AM
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I got one of the rarest S&W 22s on saturday. Many of you have seen this gun on this board for sale by dindygirl63. This couple inherited the gun from an uncle who sadly stored it in the leather holster for most of its life. This was actually his only gun so it figures I guess. I decided to drive 5 hrs from Pittsburgh to Tunkhannock PA to pick this gun up and I am very glad I did. Special thanks to Memphis for letting me look at the gun since I did find it on TFL first. Its one of only 1067 produced. Its a K-22 second model from May of 1940. This model had some distinct differences to the Outdoorsman but these changes were not resumed post war. Since these changes were introduced in 1940, production ceased in 1941 for the war effort. The gun came with a vintage K frame bianchi holster. Its the rarest gun I own and probably the rarest in my entire family. The gun has some rust but I am not going to restore it. The previous owners let me shoot it and it shot well. Here are some pics:





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Old 07-13-2009, 02:05 AM
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And what a shame the PO didn't know how to care for it.
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:18 AM
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I got it with the holster for $725 after the transfer fee. I think I did pretty good.
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Nice Snag.... Love the Pre-War K-Magnas...
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:46 AM
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A classic. Congratulations. When you say "restore" I hope you mean just get the rust off and oil it up. I would be disinclined to refinish a revolver as rare as this one.

Very nice find. Late pre-war .22s are an interest of mine (both I- and K-frames)

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Great purchase and what an intersting and rare gun.

It's sad that it was stored in the worst possible way by the owner. My Grandfather kept his Colt 1905 Police Postive 32-20 in a leather holster forever and when he died my uncle got it and then had it refinished because it was in such bad shape. I have it now and and it's a wonderful memory of my Grandfather but the gun is a shooter with no collector value.
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Gorings... I like it a lot. I think it looks much better in your pics than in the ones where it was advertised. I've got to ask have you had a chance to pull the grips and see if they are numbered to the gun? I have a feeling that they are. I am very glad you were able to get it and I think that was a very good price.

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Without your kindness I wouldn't even have this revolver. The grips are in fact numbered to the gun.
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Hamilton Bowen has my 1940 Masterpiece right now. It's a labor of love. Barrel had been lopped off at 4" and it had a lot of mechanical wear. Frame finish is only about 50%, but as rare as they are, I'll leave the finish as-is for now. I picked up the gun (wearing beautiful pre-1910 factory concave walnut grips) for a little over $300. The slightly earlier replacement barrel cost me another $100. Mr. Bowen's work will be a couple hundred more. I've since picked up a nice set of Pre-war magnas like those shown above. They were on an early post-war S serial'd M&P. Basically I bought the grips for $300 and got the M&P for free. Not the easiest way to aquire a pre-war Masterpiece, but I won't be afraid to take it out and shoot it.
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I got to shoot this gun and it shot so nice. Its very well made...we all know about the quality of the pre war guns.
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Gorings,
What a neat find!
A gentle massage with 0000-grade bronze or steel wool well-saturated with CorrosionX or similar oil will do wonders at removing the most obvious (and reddest) rust.
I'd store the holster in another room (:>)
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I've since picked up a nice set of Pre-war magnas like those shown above. They were on an early post-war S serial'd M&P. Basically I bought the grips for $300 and got the M&P for free.
$300.00 for a Transitional M&P. Great buy on a great gun. But, not exactly the "steal" you describe ($300.00 for the stocks, gun for free). Prewar K frame stocks of any type are at least twenty times more prevelant than prewar N frame stocks (1,000,000+ prewar K frames versus maybe 60,000 prewar N frames). Sure, nice prewar stocks of any kind are getting harder to find; but, short of some rare variation or material, no set of prewar K frame stocks is worth $300.00...yet.

+1,000 on the recommendations to clean up the gun but not refinish. There are probably far fewer than 1,067 floating around today meaning that even those with "finish problems" are collectible; not $5,000.00+ guns, but collectible nonetheless. Same old story: refinishing will cost a lot of money and seriously diminish collectibility.

Congratulations to any and all fortunate enough to come across a K22 Masterpiece...in any condition. I certainly love mine..."finish problems" and all. Still do not regret trading that Glock for it.
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N_itis, I have to disagree with you. Pre-war K-frame Magnas are quite scarce and depending on condition may have been a bargain at $300. Take a look at page 27 of SCSW, a good price guide that is perhaps a bit low today.
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A classic. Congratulations. When you say "restore" I hope you mean just get the rust off and oil it up. I would be disinclined to refinish a revolver as rare as this one.
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David: I believe we can both rest, knowing that it is in good hands. I reread his post and he said he was NOT going to restore it.
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N_itis, I have to disagree with you. Pre-war K-frame Magnas are quite scarce and depending on condition may have been a bargain at $300. Take a look at page 27 of SCSW, a good price guide that is perhaps a bit low today.
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Guess I better pull my K frame stocks together and take them to the next gun show. Makes me feel foolish for scoffing at the $750.00 asking price soembody had for a nearly perfect pair of N frame Magnas at the Louisville Show last year.

Also of note, not all K22 Masterpieces were shipped with Magnas. Judging from previous threads, many wore service stocks. So, for those in the market for "correct" K frame Magnas, you may want to hold your $300.00+ until your letter comes in.
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I am still drooling over the grips!
It looks to have been dry fired and the timing was off a tad, You can see the firing pin dimpels off center of the bores,,,
Did you do an internal detail strip and clean yet? I'de bet that there is some good gunk in there!
I would have bought it too! You did a great job in getting it, And since I live closer to it than you do I would have done the drive without thinking about it!
I'm in the Phila area!
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Thanks for all the compliments guys. I plan to use some type of oil or solvent with copper pads to attempt to remove some rust. This gun will be not refinished and will be shot some. Actually I plan to shoot it today because my 1953 K-22 spits in front of the cylinder with standard velocity ammo, so its back to S&W for that gun. I also plan to get a factory letter for the K-22 second model. Its a great gun and thus far the centerpiece of my collection. I am very luck to have it.
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Gorings S&W, be sure to give S&W a call, not sure they work on guns of that vintage. John
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Very nice find.

Wish it were mine!

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I, for one, would be very interested in the contents of the letter from Roy. Please post if you are able to procure one.

I didn't notice if the serial number had been published yet. Could you let us know what it is, minus the last two digits?

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BD, the S/N is shown in one of the photos in the original post: 686938.

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BD, the S/N is shown in one of the photos in the original post: 686938.

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Thanx, David.

My eyes are tired and I didn't relish the thought of trying to find out if previously posted.
I was hoping that it might have been a consecutive to one of mine.

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A variation on a previously mentioned clean-up: Brush that gun with a heavy coat of "Corrosion-X" and let it sit for a day or two in a baggie. Then, gently work the rusty areas with some bronze wool, which I found at one of the big-box stores, and is softer than steel. You would be amazed at the difference this treatment has made on a couple of oldies that I have used it on. I picked this up from another Forum member and would credit them if I remembered who it was.... Lee ?, ..rburg?...David Carroll? Sorry.

That is a rare and neat old gun! I hope you enjoy owning it.

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Gorings,

Congrats on a neat piece. I was so close to sealing a deal on that when they posted it over here. Glad it found a home with a forum brother. Enjoy!
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I miss my old model 17.
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Nice gun! I believe it is correct that S&W will not work on pre model gun, at least that is what they told me.
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Old threads just keep coming back to life. The OP stole that gun. I hope he has the common sense to keep it.

When you get a gun with some/a little light rust, there are a series of steps that should be taken. First, use the least invasive methods first. With the kind of rust show in the pix, you use your favorite gun oil or cleaning oil and a soft cotton rag, like a Tshirt or diaper. You can rub a fair amount without much chance of damage. Keep the oil there and continue as long as you are pulling off rust. You see the red color on the cloth. Only after you do that should you even consider a stronger step like copper wool.

As for 2nd models...I like them but I've only got 2. Some of our posters seem well healed (rich) and have more. Almost no one sells one. I'm becoming convinced this forum has almost all the known examples. I'd be happier if I owned all of them!

As for storage, I use CLP Collectors. It seems to dry to a waxy consistency. But I also store them in ziplock brand bags. I use those because they're thicker than store brand. I see no problem storing the guns with the holsters. Right along side the box! If you want to carry the gun in a holster, buy a lined one!
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Very nice gun. As much as I appreciate looking at pristine museum peices, my greatest love is reserved for those scarred beauties such as this one. It will feel right at home in any collection, and maybe get a chance to go out and play!
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Goring's S&W, your K-22 is in "Great" condition considering the circumstances in which it was raised. It remains just exactly what you were looking for even though you may not have been aware you were even looking. Since you have already had the pleasure of test firing it, you may have been reluctant if it was more pristine, you understand that your revolver is a work of art made from metal that just happens to fire .22 caliber projectiles. You will be able to enjoy this revolver for your lifetime and pass it on to your children & grand-children if you simply clean it properly after use and protect the remaining finish with Renaissance wax or something of equal quality. No use to tell you to enjoy as I'm sure you will. Congratulations on a great acquisition and a good buy!
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Don't send it back to S&W for anything! If they see something they don't like, they keep your gun and send you a brand new similar Model! Nice gun and nice find by the way!
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Forgot to respond to this thread...Relax guys....I left it alone - common sense prevailed! Since then I got a letter, and I have kept the gun. Its not like I found another since, another affordable one at least...so I keep this one....at least I have one I guess

Here is the happy birthday thread for it from last May. Its one of my favorite S&Ws

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