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Old 08-26-2009, 05:53 PM
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Took out my newly-acquired shooter-grade (~'52) K22 6" today for the first time. Found it shot to the left. Made sight adjustments. Still shooting to the left. Rear blade almost out of fixture to the right, gun still shooting left. Groups are OK.
Then, it dawned on me, and was confirmed by shooting buddies there with me. The front sight is canted to the right. Not only that the BARREL is canted to the right.
In closer examination, looking at the top rib and it's relationship to the corresponding rib atop the frame, the barrel is almost two (2) striations (rib grooves) off. The pin is in place and shows no sign it has ever been touched.

Anybody here ever experienced something like this ? Put in a call to my local 'smith, but he was unavailable.
Will getting the barrel straight with sight upright bring my POI back to center?
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I feel your pain, notthing worse then finding out your new toy has been "violated" by someone before you got her, I know the feeling but dont let it get you down
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Sorry to hear of the problem, but I think you identified the reason for the point-of-impact problem. I would guess that turning the barrel the additional 1/32 of an inch (or whatever it is) would true up the sights and give you the accuracy these guns are capable of. A gunsmith should be able to tell you if the barrel can be torqued the extra amount as is, or whether you need to take a bit off the back face of the barrel to make it fit correctly.

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I don't remember where I saw it but there was a thread on fixed sights adjustment (probably on Paco Kelly's Leverguns) where a regarded gunsmith bent the barrel and said that's a proper way to do it.
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A good smith can pull and reinstall the barrel without too much cost.
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It's not all that complicated to knock out the pin that secures the barrel and move the barrel to center, then reinstall the pin. That small amount of travel should not require any lathe work or other expensive metal removal.

However, moving a barrel is tricky, and if done wrong you can really do some damage. I would venture the smart thing to do is pack that baby up and send it to S&W for the "tweak". That way you'll know it was properly done, you'll sleep better at night doing it that way!
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OK - update on my K22 with the misaligned barrel. Took it to my 'smith who confirmed that it was canted to starboard.

He tightened the barrel into the frame to bring her to 12 o'clock, and align the ribs on barrel and frame. Hard to beleive they let this out of the plant in 1952, but as far as I can tell, no one had ever tampered with it.

Tried her in the backyard a bit ago and sure enough, groups came pretty much to center. Tried a few different types of ammo. It does NOT like some 30-yr. old Federal promo ammo that has just a bit of corrosion on the bullet. Recent WW Super-X does well, 1' at ~20 yds. What was really surprising was what it did with with some CCI .22 LONGS I had on hand. Just under 1" at ~20 yds.! Mind you, I said LONGS, (not Long Rifles), a semi-obsolete .22 round that has very questionable usefulness.
Will try some other stuff later on.

Thanks to all for their input on this..............
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a semi-obsolete .22 round that has very questionable usefulness.
Yours is not to question why. I'm thinking the obvious use may be in a gun (yours) that likes them. Yes, go ahead and test other ammo. As much as you can find. Then return to the stuff your particular gun likes best. No embarrassment if your gun does well with something odd. Accept it for what it is.
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Glad to hear you got it fixed without a lot of grief! Try a lot of different brands of ammo to see what it likes to eat. I went bonkers with a model 18 to see what it liked!
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OK - update on my K22 with the misaligned barrel. Took it to my 'smith who confirmed that it was canted to starboard.

He tightened the barrel into the frame to bring her to 12 o'clock, and align the ribs on barrel and frame. Hard to beleive they let this out of the plant in 1952, but as far as I can tell, no one had ever tampered with it.
This is not as uncommon as you might think - even back in the good ol' 50's. I've gone through it twice before and now have a 5-screw K-22 combat masterpiece that is going to need the same barrel turning treatment. All three were/are mid-to-early '50's "unmessed with" guns.
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My recently acquired K-22 ('47 vintage) 6-in. barrel had its first range session in my hands this past Thursday. The first 12 rounds were fired free hand and consistently grouped about an inch high and slightly left of bullseye at 15 yards. I then set up the pistol rest and used a target that didn't have a black bullseye, just blue circles on a white background. Suddenly every shot was inside the bullseye (estimated 2" circle). Achieved the same result with six more freehand rounds. Confirmed my worst suspicion: it was the nut holding the pistol. My almost 71-year-old eyes just won't let me properly align black sights on a black target.Next time I'll use one of my Shoot'N'See orange pasters on the bullseye. And I sure love that pistol.

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" Mind you, I said LONGS, (not Long Rifles), a semi-obsolete .22 round that has very questionable usefulness."

They have usefulness if you happen to own one of the old Winchester pump guns (Model 1890) chambered for .22 Long. You can't use .22 Long Rifle in them. The .22 Long pre-dates the .22 LR.
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OK - update on my K22 with the misaligned barrel. Took it to my 'smith who confirmed that it was canted to starboard.

He tightened the barrel into the frame to bring her to 12 o'clock, and align the ribs on barrel and frame. Hard to beleive they let this out of the plant in 1952, but as far as I can tell, no one had ever tampered with it.

Tried her in the backyard a bit ago and sure enough, groups came pretty much to center.

Thanks to all for their input on this..............
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That's what a six o'clock hold is for. It gets the black sights out of the black bullseye. Center hold is great as long as you can actually see where you want to hit.
Center hold for hunting and plinking, 6 o'clock for formal targets.
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Years ago, when I was obsessed with Ruger BH's in 45 Colt, I got a brand new 6" SS model that I could not get the sights far enough to one side. Which side escapes my memory. After I got home and inspected the gun, it turned out the barrel was threaded into the frame crooked. There was a gap between the barrel and frame on one side. Dealer took it back and replaced the gun.
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"Mind you, I said LONGS, (not Long Rifles), a semi-obsolete .22 round that has very questionable usefulness."

Back when I was in my teens and could buy ammo at the local gas station, longs made a LOT of sense; they were cheaper than Long Rifles and tin cans, empty shot shells and pine cones didn't know the difference.

A friend used to shoot his great uncle's Winchester Model 1899 thumb trigger rifle some. It was chambered in .22 Short and Long. That was a fun little gun. Couldn't get much simpler than that.
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Good for you for getting it fixed the right way.
Just think of all the people that just traded it off in the last 62 years instead of doing the right thing and fixing the actual problem.
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Just a thought. It is possible that the gun left the factory centered and over the years of being fired it very slowly turned the barrel to the right. The pin slot in the barrel doesn't actually hold the barrel perfectly aligned, there is a little play in the slot as mentioned above. I just bought a 1917 cheap that need barrel work as I can turn the barrel slightly left or right with the pin in place. I have a model 18 that when I first bought new it printed on center then started moving left because the barrel slowly turned right. I removed the barrel made some small peens with a small sharp punch around the barrel shoulder where it meets the frame and installed in time and it has be fine since. The peens raised up a little metal around them that contacted the frame shoulder sooner and it took more torque to tighten. I believe the factory fit was just a tiny bit loose. It has been 30 years since I refit the barrel and it is still in alignment.
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Guys, Old Corp got his K-22 barrel fixed 4 1/2 years ago .
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Guys, Old Corp got his K-22 barrel fixed 4 1/2 years ago .
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K22's are some of the most accurate handguns made. I would recommend 40 gr. standard velocity. (I know the problem is finding it). These are Target guns and my 17-4 and 617-6 will both shoot into the "X" Ring on a B3 target at 50 ft. using standard velocity.
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How do the s&w k22 compare to the colt police positive and colt officers target model in 22lr?
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Depends on the individual gun. Most likely the K22 and the Officer's Model Match would outshoot the Police Positive. I'd put a small amount of money on a random OMM outshooting a random K22. I'd find takers.
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I like the colt officers target revolver on the 41 Frame. I like the s&w k22 it fits my hand perfectly. The colt police positive revolver in 22lr doesn't feel right in my hand.
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Deadin: Sorry about the long delay in this response to your comment about the 6-o'clock hold but my wife has been having some significant health issues and we've had a move to a new home. Your point is well taken about the 6-o'clock hold. Old habits are hard to break, though. Since childhood, I've concentrated on point-of-aim as point-of-impact for all of my rifle shooting and have carried it over to pistol shooting. Dad was my instructor through childhood, the Army somewhat later, and the old ways are just solidly ingrained. I've tried 6-o'clock and just am not comfortable with it and keep relapsing into the old ways. Guess I'm turning into the "old guy" I used to mock in younger years.
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My recently acquired K-22 ('47 vintage) 6-in. barrel had its first range session in my hands this past Thursday. The first 12 rounds were fired free hand and consistently grouped about an inch high and slightly left of bullseye at 15 yards. I then set up the pistol rest and used a target that didn't have a black bullseye, just blue circles on a white background. Suddenly every shot was inside the bullseye (estimated 2" circle). Achieved the same result with six more freehand rounds. Confirmed my worst suspicion: it was the nut holding the pistol. My almost 71-year-old eyes just won't let me properly align black sights on a black target.Next time I'll use one of my Shoot'N'See orange pasters on the bullseye. And I sure love that pistol.
I feel your pain. I too have a weak wristed blind as a bat shooter attached to the back end of my '47 K-22.
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I feel your pain. I too have a weak wristed blind as a bat shooter attached to the back end of my '47 K-22.
Dude, this thread is from 2009! Start a new thread!
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