S&W model 30-1
I have been unable to find out hardly anything about this snubnose revolver on the internet. It looks brand new. It must not be too common as it is a .32. Serial number is 8163XX. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Serial numbers: 1961-1970 712954-826977. Yours is towards the end so figure 1969 or 1970. Someone correct me if I messed up the numbers. Wouldn't be the first time. Doc |
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I don't know much about the snubbies, but I sure like the 3" versions.
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Well, I bought 30-1 #7635XX during the Summer of 1968 so I would put yours 1969 or '70 leaning more toward early 1970. By "The Book" 1869 started at 786544.
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30-1 is allso one of my favorit s&w,mine is a 3in.pretty low ser.#,H3
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General info on the mod 30-1
The -1 mod number was the change to the J frame in April 1961 at #712954. In 1970 the factory changed the serial numbering system on these guns to using an H serial number prefix at serial #826977. The mod 30 could be bought in a barrel length of 2", 3", and 4". An interesting side note; the mod 30 is a round butt gun and the mod 31 is a square butt gun. This is the only guns that S&W made a model change for the butt configuration with the same caliber and/or barrel length!
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Thanks all for this information. It is a 2". The blueing is about 100%, if not 100%. I really like the S&W revolvers but don't know much about them (I only have one other, a 19-6). Until now, I have been a Glock fan (and have a bunch), and somewhat still am, but it is hard not to love the Smiths the most.
I have no idea about value but would like to. I gave $150 for the 30-1 which is what the owner paid and wanted. |
The Model 30 is a favorite of mine also. $150 for a near-100% model is a fantastic price.
FYI you can shoot .32 ACP rounds from your new gun. I do this all the time. The ACP rounds are a lot cheaper than factory .32 Long ammo. |
You got a great deal. I have been looking for a model 30, or 31 but they are snagged up quick!! I also shoot 32 acp out of my 631. You can find 32 S&W long at the bigger gun shops (if they are not out) but forget about finding it in the big box stores.
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Hello Peyton I grew tired at finding Prime examples costing in the $450.00-$595.00 dollar range, so I Picked up this Cosmetically challenged Blued one for $100.00, That Locked up Tight and had a shinny Bore and sent it off to Ford's in Florida for a re-finish. After a Lengthy conversation, we decided to go with the High Polished chrome finish as they said it would wear the best for daily carry. The Grips are serial numbered to the gun, as you can see it was real Rough Looks wise before I sent it to them. I prepped it prior to sending it, and I will Not take on that chore again as I have Many, Many Hour's in sanding Out all The Rust & Pits. I have carried it more than two years now, and it shows Zero evidence of carry wear. I have $300.00 in it Now, and no regreats to buying one that had not been shot much, but did not get the best of care externally. Ford's also Re-Applied the factory S&W Logo on it. I found it an afordable way to get a Pre-30 and this one is from 1958 Not Model Marked. I felt the Market Prices of Pristeen ones were high and daily carry would have soon Turned them into a shooter grade revolver in no Time, as Blued finish's show carry wear very fast, and even nickel will wear in time so The Hard chrome finish idea has served me well. This changed my out look on daily carry weapons and should I ever need another one, I would Not hesitate to Buy one finish challenged for a Song and have Ford's so their magic to it. Regards, Hammerdown "Before Re-finishing" http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCF1310.JPG http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/DSCF1309.JPG After Ford's Re-Finishing" http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/30-1_2.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/30-1_3.jpg |
Thanks all for the information. It is so nice looking that I hate to carry/holster it. I still can't find out much about this gun....except for this great site.
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Hammerdown, am I seeing things? Looks like the barrel pin is missing in your photos. jandogty, you have the deal we all are looking for, good shooting. Sorry, don't mean to hyjack your post.
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Hello Smithshooter It was. :o I sent it back and they Placed the Barrel pin back in it. ;) Regards, Hammerdown |
I'm not normally a fan of refinishing, but in this case what a difference! I think you did the right thing. Just one question though, why was the barrel pin not finished to match?
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Do, or would you consider this to be a decent carry gun? If so, what ammo? If not, other than a nice piece, I am not sure what the use would be except the obvious fun of shooting it. Thanks.
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Georgia Arms makes a 85 gr.JHP , 32 S&W long round advertised at 850FPS.Sounds like it would be pretty good,
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Hello Sure, Police Departments all over the U.S. Carried this round for years. As The Previous Poster Pointed out, Georgia ammo sells some Potent ammo for the .32 S&W Long Cartridge. I carry it and hand load all my own ammo for it... Hammerdown |
Carry the .32 with confidence, it will shine with some good ammo and it is light and easy to carry. Now where are the pictures???
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Hammerdown, what a difference that makes!!
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Thanks, I simply love the .32 S&W Long round & have worked it up by hand loading recently for both my J-Frame and K-Frames. One can safely shoot this round at .38 Special velocities out of a -J-frame and still have one more round in the -J-Frames compared to the .38 special caliber-j-Frames... Hammerdown |
Model 30 stainless
I have a model 30, 2" barrel stainless, serial# H95605. It's maybe had 1 box of shells fired with it. It was my father's gun. Anybody have an idea of it's value for insurance purposes?
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If it really is a Model 30, the H95605 SN puts into the mid to early 1970s. HTH ~ Froggie |
They did a wonderful job on the gun.
Looks great. |
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Old thread resurection!
Is this a model 30?
http://jasonsguns.com/ImageDisplay.aspx?imageId=7496 http://jasonsguns.com/ImageDisplay.aspx?imageId=7495 Under crane it says, 40973 and the letter E, On frame it says 400.30 |
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Speed Loader?
I have a .32 long S&W model 30-1. I wonder if any speed loaders would work for this pistol. There does not appear to be enough clearance between cylinder and frame / grip. Any comments?
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My wife inherited it from her mother who carried it in her car for many years before she passed away. As far as I know it was never fired by her, but her brother may have fired it a few times. I have fired approximately 200 rounds, mostly lead bullet handloads. I used load data I found in an old Handloader's Digest but reduced it by 15% just to be safe. If the velocity claimed by the writer for his maximum charge handloads is accurate mine should be good for approximately 825 - 850 fps with a 98 grain LSWC bullet. I also made up a few rounds with the propellant weight he listed as maximum, (98 gr LSWC and 4.5 gr Unique), but I'm hesitant to fire them after being told that those little revolvers in pristine condition have considerable value as collector items. |
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I did use speed loaders for my model 36s in .38 S&W Special caliber, but encountered the same problem you describe with the factory as well as many after-market stocks. I now use Bianchi SpeedStrip for the .38 and a Tuff Products "QuickStrip" for the .32. They work great, are much easier to carry and - with a little practice - can be as quick to use as a speed loader. Good luck and enjoy, Russ |
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It will not work with Colt .32-20 Police Positive S[ecial guns. |
I just put a LNIB 3" 30-1 on layaway. It will be my first .32 caliber revolver. I can't wait to try iy out.
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I have never owned any J-I- or Improved I-Frame revolver chambered in .32 S&W Long Cartridge that did not shoot well. The Cartridge is super accurate and seem's to shoot at point of aim. I hand Load for all of the families .32 S&W Long Cartridge hand guns as i like to have a more potent round as most loads shown for them are mild. I also use Hornady 85 Grain XTP Bullet's which you can't find in any factory loads as most are wad cutters or Lead round bullets. I came across this 30-1 In Nickel about 4 Months ago. I have looked long and hard for one in Nickel but they don't seem to be out there. It is now in my wife's Purse....Hammerdown http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/04d67aae.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...7/015e309c.jpg |
Thanks for the information Hammerdown. Beautiful 30 you have there. The nickel examples are scarce around here too in most models. Congrats!
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I just put a like new (I'd say easily 90-95% condition) 30-1 on lay a way today. I paid $400 out the door price for it. I'll have it paid off in 3-4 months from now unless I can come up w/ the rest of the money sooner. I have 120 days to get it paid off in. The serial number of the gun is 8152xx. Can any body tell me when the gun was likely made and if I got an ok deal on it. From what researched I've found they I'm seeing these in good condition sell for $450-$550. This is my first Smith & Wesson and also my first revolver. I believe it might be the 2" barrel however I haven't measured it so I don't know for fact, just guessing by the looks of how short it is. The pics are of the actual gun, they're descent pics but keep in mind they're ****** cell phone pics & don't do the gun justice and it is a really good looking gun.
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Regarding ammo, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Buffalo Bore yet. They produce two varieties of 32 S&W Long (aka 32 Colt New Police): a 115 gr hardcast flatnose at 800 fps, and a 100 gr hardcast wadcutter at 900 fps. My choice would be the wadcutter. From their website, it looks like the claimed velocities must be for a 4" gun, so expect somewhat less from a snubby.
Tha's the good news, the bad news is that they each sell for about $26 for a box of 20. BTW Hammerdown, that's a beautiful refinish job on your pre-model 30. You say that it is a polished hard chrome finish, not nickel? Never heard of that on a gun before, but it sure looks great & sounds like it will hold up well. |
As to speedloaders, HKS makes one that oddly enough is their Model #32. If you like HKS speedloaders, it works fine... I prefer the spring loaded type but haven't been able to find one for the 32. :(
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My favorite SW the M-30-1 in 3" , a pleasure to shoot and own. I use a 100gr. flat tip hard cast bullet with 3.2 to 3.7 grs of Unique. Super accurate with good power and felon repellent.
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Here's a Pair of Pre-30's In Chocolate & Vainilla finish in 3" form shown with original serial numbered diamond magna's. Regards, Hammerdown http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Mode...Pre-30_001.jpg http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Mode...Pre-30_002.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-7/Pre-304.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...-7/Pre-302.jpg |
Jeeps and hotrod150, I like to load my own for the 32 S&W Long with a 95-100 gr SWC and around 2 gr of Bullseye. When I'm going factory, I like the 100 gr JHPs from Georgia Arms. I can safely use them in all of my 32s from my early Reg Police models to my niece's 3" Model 30-1.
And to the person who asked way back when whether or not the 32 S&W L is enough of a round for EDC... I certainly hope so as it's what I generally have. If it looks like I'm going to have real trouble, I usually prefer to just stay home! ;) Froggie |
100gr.hard cast flat point at 900-950fps is very power full felon repellent. I got rid of my 9mm Shield and carry my M-30-1 3" instead,more reliable and more accurate. It puts them where I aim. While the pristine M30 was worth $500ish unfired , $500 doe's not buy much anymore. My life is priceless.
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My taste run against the grain of conventional wisdom and financial advice. Even though it is cheaper to save a little longer and purchase a higher grade specimen-I still prefer to purchase a shooter grade something that I can enjoy shooting or carrying and refinish to my preference.
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Just aquired a S & W 32L 30-1 S.N. H64029. Can someone tell me the year of Mfg. and what the (H) stands for?. Condition is 95 To 100 % there are some lite scuff marks in 3 places with a very lite line on the cylinder. |
?.32 H&R?
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I really like the .32 H&R Mag and this would be a sweet package. |
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Buffalo Bore offers a very potent 100g JHP +P load in 32 H&R that averages 1100fps out of my 2" 432PD and 1234fps from the 3" 31. The muzzle energy of that round from the 2" 432 exceeds the energy of Remington's 38 Special +P 158g lead HP "FBI" load from a 2" Model 49, and from the 3" 31 it exceeds the energy of the Remington +P 38 out of my 4" Model 10. You know one of those BB +Ps is something special when you light one off, but I still find it much more comfortable to shoot from the alloy 432 than the 38 FBI load out of an alloy snubbie. (At $1.30/round I still don't shoot very many of 'em, though.) The owner of Buffalo Bore advised that that particular +P round was safe for unlimited use in my reamed Model 31. (Which I don't find too surprising, as even with 6 chambers the cylinder walls are still thicker than the thinnest wall of a 38 Special J frame cylinder.) I just got a beautiful 2" 30-1, which I haven't shot yet. I'll start it next week with 32 Longs, but even though I can theoretically pump a 32 Long up to H&R Mag velocities, I strongly suspect I'll send the cylinder off to Big Cholla for a ream to 32 H&R. Common ammo makes for simpler packing for range trips - I typically take wadcutters, mid-range plinkers and some hot stuff, all in H&R cases. Plus, I never have to worry about a super-hot 32 Long that I made up finding its way into an old weak gun. |
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BTW $150? You otta be ashamed!;) |
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Another poster here states you can shoot .32 Magnum rounds too? Isn't that a bit dangerous? :eek: |
I have never fire .32acp out of either of my S&W #30 or #31-1 revolvers but I believe that the cartridge has just enough of a "rim" to accomodate the round. Neither of the factory guns should chamber the .32H&R magnum rounds without some custom work. Hope that helps.
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OTOH, it might be just fine. I don't know. |
The chamber walls on a 32 J frame are thicker than on a 38/357 J frame. S&W has offered J frames chambered for 327 Federal Magnum, which has a maximum pressure of something like 45,000 CUP, which I believe is the same as for 357 Magnum. So, same pressure limit, with thicker walls in the 32 caliber cylinder. There shouldn't be ANY problem for a 32 H&R Magnum round, which has a maximum pressure spec of 21,000 CUP.
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