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Old 01-30-2010, 12:24 PM
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Default 32-1 info please will 38 short colt ammo work?

I have had a real problem findin ammo as everyone is backorderd. I was told these would work.

Found this excellent + condition 32-1 in Pawnshop today and could not resist. serial # 98xxx with original matcing box but no tools or papers. I can't DOB locate in S&W catalog. The grips are the same serial as the gun. What ammo can I shoot and what is approximate value? Any info on this model appreciated. also would like to find papers. Sorry posted in wrong section.
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I bought one of those last year from a forum member. It was LNIB and has stayed that way. I have been trying to find some reasonable priced decent ammo, but it seems to be pretty high for what it is.
I think the 2" 32's bring more than the longer barrel ones. I would say $400+ any day of the week.
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Is this 38 s&W, not 38 special?
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I believe it is a 38 S&W
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Nice Terrier. The "-1" change (J frame) was released in 1961 and the flat latch generally disappeared in 1966, so yours should fall somewhere in between.

It wasn't a terribly popular gun compared to the Chiefs Special, so they don't show up as often. It is a .38 S&W, NOT a .38 S&W Special. If you look at the serial numbers on pg. 397 (SCSW #3), you'll see that your gun falls into the 1949-1969 block for the ".38 Regulation Police and Models 32, 33". Production was less than 70,000 guns over 30 years, or about 1/10th their small frame production in .38 Special. Look for old ammo at gun shows.
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Winchester does make .38 S&W ammo or at least they did. It's a 145 grain lead round nose. It can be difficult to find and somewhat pricey. Even though it's a stright case, reloading can be tricky for two reasons. First it's a bit larger in diameter, approx. .36, compared to the .38Special/.357 magnum. Second, it uses a heeled bullet like the .22 where the ridge or shoulder of the bullet sits on the edge of the case mouth. Other than that it's a fun caliber to shoot.
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I have just purchased 4 Mod 32-1 and 4 Mod 33/33-1. The latter is a 4" bbl version, otherwise the same as the 2" Mod 32/32-1.

Winchester, Remington, MagTech and Fiocchi all make this ammo, although it's hard to find, as others have noted.

I'm reloading & casting my own bullets. Don't claim to have it all figured out, but initial indications are it's do-able w/o major problems. Midway sells MagTech bullets as a component, although they're out at the moment. Due to CAS, there's something of a market for this caliber still, although the factory loads are sedate ones intended to be safe in the old break-tops used in CAS, as well as old H&R's doubtless lingering in many dresser drawers & nightstands.

I'm looking at Lyman 46th (49th inbound to me), Speer 13, and Lee 2nd, and each shows loads far more potent than the factory .38S&W loads. I don't intend to hot-rod anything, but will shoot light loads for practice & load 'em to just below .38 SPL power levels for SD/HD by my wife & daughters. (My personal pair is for fun--my HD sidearm is .45LC, although a 32-1 with a 200g bullet will be my car gun.)

I standardized these pairs of revolvers to eliminate any uncertainty among my gals over cylinder latches, ammo, SA v. DA, how many rounds it holds, etc. Also, grip size, steel frame yet lightweight, low recoil but loadable w/decent meplat & bullet weight, mild report, 2" for car & 4" for HD. . .it all fits my ladies' needs as well as the .38S&W long did for many Americans in the old break-top version & cheaper H&R models for many years, but in a far better-quality gun.

I bought the 32-1's for high $300's to over 500, depending on condition. The latter were doubtless no bargain, but I wanted to move quickly even though it's a bit costlier. These guns are like a lot of similar S&W .32s--the people who bought these calibers often did so specifically BECAUSE they weren't as powerful as other choices, and these types of folks generally put it in a drawer & shoot it once in a blue moon. Therefore, condition can be very nice to mint.
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"Second, it uses a heeled bullet like the .22 where the ridge or shoulder of the bullet sits on the edge of the case mouth."

I've never seen any .38 S&W ammo like that. If you have a heeled .38 S&W cartridge, could you post a picture of it?
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so can anyone tell him if .38 short colt ammo will fit and function properly in his gun?
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I've tried the .38 Colt ammo. Won't work. Keep looking.
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Colt loaded this round as the ".38 Colt New Police". They just didn't want to put another manufacturer's name on their gun. (For the same reason S&W doesn't spell out what ACP means). The only difference was the New Police was a little more "blunt" and had a slightly larger metplat. Colt claimed this was an improvement.
However, and a big however, it hasn't been loaded under that name in many years. Probably worth several times the value of a box of .38 S&W to a collector. Maybe not, but it will be ancient.
Easy to load. Cast boolits forum will have a lot of information on this cartridge. Welcome to the S&W addiction. The only one better (and deadlier) is nicotine.
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I have had a real problem findin ammo as everyone is backorderd. I was told these would work.

Found this excellent + condition 32-1 in Pawnshop today and could not resist. serial # 98xxx with original matcing box but no tools or papers. I can't DOB locate in S&W catalog. The grips are the same serial as the gun. What ammo can I shoot and what is approximate value? Any info on this model appreciated. also would like to find papers. Sorry posted in wrong section.
Thanks
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I see that "oldwesternscrounger" website has 38 S&W for about
$30/50 rds.
I believe their ammo is reloaded to factory spec.s, but not sure.
The vintage old stock on GouBroker seems higher by comparison.
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"I've tried the .38 Colt ammo. Won't work"

Is that the same as 38 "short" Colt ?
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The .38 Short Colt has a case length of .762", but is otherwise identical to the .38 Long Colt. The two have the same base diameter as a .38 Special, which is smaller than a .38 S&W or .38 Colt New Police (which are interchangeable). .38 Short Colt ammo in a .38 S&W might work, but I wouldn't recommend it. Cases will bulge and could split (but I doubt it).
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Blue Bunny has .38S&W 158gr plated.
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Muley,
I'll try but forum members know my photo skills would have to improve considerably to reach the awful level.

I'm actually looking at a round from a box Winchester .38S&W as I write this. There is a definite ridge or ring around the bullet just ahead of the case mouth. It sure looks like the crimp is under this feature. Perhaps "heeled" isn't the correct term but isn't this what .22s look like?
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