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Old 05-19-2010, 12:14 PM
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Just a few more pics before the Leather, Stags and T-Grip arrive....









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Los i was told by S&W when I called about the Pre-40 I used to have serial #248 & was told a ship date of April 15th 1953..
Dick Burg has a Nickeled one with a lower number but never got the ship date etc from him, he brought it to a Gunshow one weekend to show me & David Carrol..
There's also a couple of guys around here that have them & the red box the early Pre Bangor Punta Centennials came in..
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I have since gotten T-grips for all 3. I usually carry the nickle one. The other 2 have not been shot.
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Los i was told by S&W when I called about the Pre-40 I used to have serial #248 & was told a ship date of April 15th 1953..
Dick Burg has a Nickeled one with a lower number but never got the ship date etc from him, he brought it to a Gunshow one weekend to show me & David Carrol..
There's also a couple of guys around here that have them & the red box the early Pre Bangor Punta Centennials came in..
Thanks, HK.

That would corroborate jcelect previous post. I'll revise the TL to reflect yours.

Thanks a bunch.!!
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Nice threesome, T.

Thanks for the photos

But why no love for the 42..???
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I just picked up my Model 40 and now I am having buyers remorse.

I'm second guessing not getting a model 640 or maybe even a 442.

I will be attending a gun show at Ft. Walton Beach, FL fairgrounds this coming Saturday and I may try and trade it off. Just not so sure how I am going to like the back-strap safety after all.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:26 AM
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Hello, golfer.

Sorry you feel that way about the 40. I'm sure you won't have any problem selling it. The 640 is a sweet piece, as is the 442. They are two different animals, though.

I hope you end up with a ccw that you'll appreciate and want to carry everyday day.

My stags were delivered yesterday. I snapped a few photos and then took them off to be sent to the Executioner for medallion installation. here's a few pics...





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How does the yoke to frame fit? Mine seems to have a rather large gap. But it functions fine?
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Sorry you feel that way about the 40. I'm sure you won't have any problem selling it. The 640 is a sweet piece, as is the 442. They are two different animals, though.

I hope you end up with a ccw that you'll appreciate and want to carry everyday day.

My stags were delivered yesterday. I snapped a few photos and then took them off to be sent to the Executioner for medallion installation. here's a few pics...
Thanks los. The issue I have with the back-strap safety is it has to be gripped just right, at least on mine, or the trigger won't pull. It puts a little bit of doubt as to whether it would perform in a situation it may / could be needed.

Your 40 looks great as stock or with the stags.
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How does the yoke to frame fit? Mine seems to have a rather large gap. But it functions fine?
I'd say mine has a precise solid fit. What's your definition of a "large gap"?
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Thanks los. The issue I have with the back-strap safety is it has to be gripped just right, at least on mine, or the trigger won't pull. It puts a little bit of doubt as to whether it would perform in a situation it may / could be needed.

Your 40 looks great as stock or with the stags.
Thanks, golfer.

Have you considered adding a T-Grip to enhance and obtain a firmer grip?
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Thanks, golfer.

Have you considered adding a T-Grip to enhance and obtain a firmer grip?
My original intent was to add the T-Grip even before I received the gun. With the T-Grip are the fingers that grip it crammed under the trigger guard?

Now the rest of the story. When I took possession of the 40 it had lots of handling marks, finger prints, oil, etc.., so I went ahead and cleaned it. I used Hopps #9 to run through the barrel and cylinder holes. Obviously, not thinking clearly I rubbed the side plates with the Hopps to clean off oily residue. This particular model has the shiney blued finish. The finish is no longer shiney, I'm very distraught !!

Based on what others have posted, I'm going shortly to get some non-abrasive wax to try and bring back the shine.

Any thoughts ???

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My original intent was to add the T-Grip even before I received the gun. With the T-Grip are the fingers that grip it crammed under the trigger guard?

Now the rest of the story. When I took possession of the 40 it had lots of handling marks, finger prints, oil, etc.., so I went ahead and cleaned it. I used Hopps #9 to run through the barrel and cylinder holes. Obviously, not thinking clearly I rubbed the side plates with the Hopps to clean off oily residue. This particular model has the shiney blued finish. The finish is no longer shiney, I'm very distraught !!

Based on what others have posted, I'm going shortly to get some non-abrasive wax to try and bring back the shine.

Any thoughts ???

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Go to wally world and get you a can of Johnson's Paste Wax (~$5.00) clean all of the Hoppe's residue off the gun, you might try scalding hot water, and wax the gun like you would a car. Apply the wax and let it haze over, then wipe off with a clean soft cloth. The shine will come back.
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Try a very small (just a thin dab) of Mothers aluminum polish. Rub it on gently and take it off and buff lightly with a soft cotton rag.

That should restore the lustrous blue finish.

AMENDED.... or follow 29s recommendation as stated above..

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Thanks Curtis & los. I'm headed to Wally world right now and try bringing back that lustrous blue finish.

Maybe, I'll be able to find a t-grip at the gun show this weekend and give it a try.

Thanks, again !
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I'd say mine has a precise solid fit. What's your definition of a "large gap"?
I can see the front of the cylinder through the gap between the yoke and frame!

I sent some pictures to S&W at the e-mail address on their website to see what they think.

I am work right now and cannot post any pictures. But when I get home this evening I will put a few up.
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Here's my Model 40-1, shipped in November, 2007 (fired case dated 11/01/07) and purchased new by me 1/26/08. I added the grip adapter to give more purchase on the grip safety, which is fairly stout to compress. Serial number is DBJ90XX. It would appear that the 40-1 series was therefore introduced in 2007, not 2008 as stated in the original post.

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I can see the front of the cylinder through the gap between the yoke and frame!

I sent some pictures to S&W at the e-mail address on their website to see what they think.

I am work right now and cannot post any pictures. But when I get home this evening I will put a few up.
Please post a few pics when you can.

I'm relatively new to the world of revolvers so I can't give you an opinion based on experience. I will say that of the many hundreds of photos of M40s I've seen and uploaded to my computer, none demonstrate a gap large enough to look unusual.

Let us know what Smith advices.
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Here's my Model 40-1, shipped in November, 2007 (fired case dated 11/01/07) and purchased new by me 1/26/08. I added the grip adapter to give more purchase on the grip safety, which is fairly stout to compress. Serial number is DBJ90XX. It would appear that the 40-1 series was therefore introduced in 2007, not 2008 as stated in the original post.
My grip safety compresses fairly easily for me. I ordered the T-Grip because my hands are a tad saskatchewan and the factory stocks were a little thin. I recently purchased a set of Stags from a fellow member and after receiving them I was really glad I ordered the t-grip, as the stags are thinner than the factory stocks.

FYI, my 40-1 was shipped out if the factory in June/2009.
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Just as a matter of historical interest, here's some pics of an original Centennial instruction sheet. I can't find a date on it, so your guess is as good as mine. Probably before 1957, as there is no reference to "Model 40."



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Hello, Paladin. Thanks for posting the vintage instruction sheet.

I thought this illustration was pretty nice..




Here's a few close-up photos of my 40's mechanism. I was very surprised to see that the parts didn't contain lube or oil. Not even at the friction and pivoting points. So I lubed and oiled it a little before the side plate was replaced.



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I have three model 40's. One #3562 is new in the red box; 4 screw; flat latch; matching grips; blue: another #5536 is 4 screw; flat latch; matching grips; blue: the other is L3978 new in the box; 3 screw; matching grips; nickel.
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Jeeez no wonder I can" find one of these. Nice thread, this is why this board is so popular.
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Looks like a [QC] fitment issue. When did you first notice the gap?

Does the crane/cylinder produce solid lock-up?
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Noticed it last time I shot and cleaned it about 3 weeks ago. I sent pictures off to S&W. Haven't heard back.

It locks up and shoots fine.

I got the other 2 out of the safe last night and gave them a quick look and they seem to be ok.
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BTW, Paladin..NICE T-Grip..!!

Is that the #1 ? I'm assuming it's the miror polished finish..?

I called Tyler MFG and placed my order last week. Spoke to the company manager, Brian. Really nice gentleman. We shared good conversation and he assured me that the tgrip would be made and shipped shortly.
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Noticed it last time I shot and cleaned it about 3 weeks ago. I sent pictures off to S&W. Haven't heard back.

It locks up and shoots fine.
The gap probably looks much worse in the photos. I'm hopeful that S&W will see it as a [cosmetic] fitment issue and not something that compromises the structural integrity of the handgun.
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BTW, Paladin..NICE T-Grip..!!

Is that the #1 ? I'm assuming it's the miror polished finish..?

I called Tyler MFG and placed my order last week. Spoke to the company manager, Brian. Really nice gentleman. We shared good conversation and he assured me that the tgrip would be made and shipped shortly.
I dunno about the number. I bought it used off of eBay based on the photo that was posted. I have ordered T-grips directly from Tyler in recent years and had problems. I ordered a black one for a Colt Detective Special. When it finally arrived, it had a paint run on one side. I sent it back, and they sent me another one which had the same exact problem. I sent that one back, and finally got one that was presentable. I explained to them that I wanted to photograph the gun with the adapter for an article in the Blue Press (November, 2008 issue) and that what they had sent so far was not exactly photogenic. Third time was a charm. They were very apologetic, but it appears their QC was spotty. Hope you get a good one.

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I have three model 40's. One #3562 is new in the red box; 4 screw; flat latch; matching grips; blue: another #5536 is 4 screw; flat latch; matching grips; blue: the other is L3978 new in the box; 3 screw; matching grips; nickel.
Nice vintage collection, in deed.

Are any "lettered"? If so, please provide shipping dates and I'll add the info to the Time Line.

Thanks..!
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Default e-mail back from S&W about the gap

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"Hello Sir, After examination of the picture the firearm is normal and does not need to be sent back in .

Thank You"
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"Hello Sir, After examination of the picture the firearm is normal and does not need to be sent back in .

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This thread made me go out and buy one.

Model 42 Serial 282xx. I am guessing late 60's? Grip# matches.


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Just to add to this thread, I have a pre-Model 40 which, from the beginning of this thread, is probably a 1955 version. The serial number is 51XX, it has the high horn smooth grip, 4 screws.

Really jazzed to see the manual Paladin posted. Thanks! Never thought of looking for the locking pin! Thanks to all for the great thread.
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Here are a couple of 99+% pre-M40's. SN 76x shipped May 13, 1953 to Wolf & Klar, Ft. Worth. SN 467x shipped Dec. 29, 1954 to Arizona Hardware Co., Phoenix.



Note that there is no mention of "Centennial" on these early boxes. The next box derivation had "Centennial" in a rubber stamp diagonally over the label. The final variation had "Centennial" printed on the label.

I don't see that anything has been said of the Model 042. This is an interesting variation. It was the first reintroduction of the alloy frame and steel cylinder and barrel and marked MOD 042 on the frame. It was produced only one year...1992 and was never cataloged. It was the predecessor of the M442. I have NIB M042 sn BMB020x. Sorry but no picture of that one.

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Great post, Bob. I've seen you post these Centennial pictures before and it's always a treat.

The Mod 042 IS an interesting variation. I prefer the one with the higher gloss anodizing to the matte variation myself.
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S&W model 40, serial #82xx

S&W model 42, serial $259xx

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Great thread, don't know how I missed it the first time around. Here's my contribution.

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Did they ever mark the 40/42 side plate with "centennial" like they did with later bodyguard 38 and airweight 37 models?

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First of all, what an amazing and informative thread...I am so pleased to have found it. I have been looking for an airweight Centennial or Bodyguard to carry. I am now a Mod 042 owner. Barring a very faint turn line, it is 100%. Got numbered box, all inserts, wax paper and original rubber Uncle Mikes grips. It had been fired < 20 times according to the seller. I have attached two pictures (excuse the quality). The first is as I got it - original and the 2nd dressed to be my new carry piece. My question is this: How special is my newest S&W revolver - do I keep it & put it away and look for another carry gun OR carry it and enjoy it. Is the 042 one of those "I'll regret it if I carry or sell it"? I tell you it feels like a million bucks and is exactly what I have been looking for to carry - Airweight & hammerless. What to do? Input would be greatly appreciated

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Here is my L series as I bought it...it is wearing elkhorn stags by Executioner now with a Tyler T
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This one (23674) was shipped in October of 1964 to a hardware store in Phoenix. It wound up on a boat in a California marina where it corroded badly. The owner traded it in on a stainless pistol and the shop polished it as best they could and parkerized it. Looks like Hell but it works fine and I got it cheap. Bagged the stags on ebay for $6. I have carried it off and on for 15 years and it's in the drawer by my knee as I type this.





Liked the beat up M40 so much I looked for one in better shape. Got this one (18822) off GunBroker about 7 years ago. Damn near in perfect condition I can't bring myself to carry it. Closest thing I have to a "safe queen." Yes, the pin is still there. Shipped March of 1962 to something called "Polak Winters Co." (that's what the letter says) in San Francisco.



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First of all, what an amazing and informative thread...I am so pleased to have found it. I have been looking for an airweight Centennial or Bodyguard to carry. I am now a Mod 042 owner. Barring a very faint turn line, it is 100%. Got numbered box, all inserts, wax paper and original rubber Uncle Mikes grips. It had been fired < 20 times according to the seller. I have attached two pictures (excuse the quality). The first is as I got it - original and the 2nd dressed to be my new carry piece. My question is this: How special is my newest S&W revolver - do I keep it & put it away and look for another carry gun OR carry it and enjoy it. Is the 042 one of those "I'll regret it if I carry or sell it"? I tell you it feels like a million bucks and is exactly what I have been looking for to carry - Airweight & hammerless. What to do? Input would be greatly appreciated

Thanks - Randy
Randy, you asked some good questions that I would also like answers to.

I also have a pristine Mod.042 in the box. In 2005 a fellow gunshow table mate who was a custom leather smith had taken this beautiful little gun, still in its box and without the cylinder evidencing ever being turned, in on a custom holster that he had made. He had no use for it and offered it to me for $300 and I sprang.

I had every intention of giving it to my wife to carry in her purse but after looking at it a while, I couldn't visualize it in that environment with keys, make-up, etc. I then thought I would replace my daily carried M442 with it but the unblemished nature of the little M042 put me off of that plan, too.

SCSWIII gives little info on the guns other than they were only produced in 1992. I need to ask Roy about them when he returns. There is some theory that they are rejects from the M642 with an overstamp but I have never been able to see that on mine. The MOD.042 on the frame and the serial number BMB020x on the butt are highlighted in white but that is the only variation that that I have found.

The box label shows the Product Code to be 103792 and the Special Order is 2129. It states the Model is 42.

Whatever their story turns out to be, I have to think that their limited production period, relative to the other Centennial models, should raise their collectibility.

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Saxon,

If everyone will forgive an off topic question, I found your first picture of that one that your rescued to be interesting. I see that you, like many of us, carry a speed strip with reloads. For a while I also only carried 5 rounds in it simply because of the easy logic that only 5 would fit in the revolver. Then it occurred to me that adding another round would not, in any way, hinder me in reloading the first 5, but would give me an additional round, if needed, at no extra effort. Acknowledging that the likelihood that any of us non-sworn individuals will ever need the eleventh round is astronomical, I wonder how many others only carry 5 rounds in their carriers that were built for 6.

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Saxon,

If everyone will forgive an off topic question, I found your first picture of that one that your rescued to be interesting. I see that you, like many of us, carry a speed strip with reloads. For a while I also only carried 5 rounds in it simply because of the easy logic that only 5 would fit in the revolver. Then it occurred to me that adding another round would not, in any way, hinder me in reloading the first 5, but would give me an additional round, if needed, at no extra effort. Acknowledging that the likelihood that any of us non-sworn individuals will ever need the eleventh round is astronomical, I wonder how many others only carry 5 rounds in their carriers that were built for 6.

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I generally carry a speedloader over my speed strips. When I do carry speed strips and a 5 shot J frame, I always use the 6th slot. An extra round can't hurt and it doesn't add enough weight to make it a consideration
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