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I wonder how many others only carry 5 rounds in their carriers that were built for 6.
I'm much worse than that. A few years ago my 1970s vintage speed strip broke inhalf (almost). So being old and cheap, I didn't want to throw the longer half away. So it still held 3 of them very well. To soothe my hoarders guilt, I tossed out the short part that would only hold 2 rounds. And I've carried the shorty with 3 in it off and on. Its proven more than adequate.

I'm figuring if the first 5 don't do the trick, I need to be hightailing it out of where ever anyway. Its why I dumped my 870 years ago and moved to a double. I discovered if I didn't hit the critter with the first shot, the 2nd was almost always a waste, and the subsequent shots were just out of frustration. I've since considered that maybe my shooting skills improved from my teen years, and moving up to a 12 from a 20 helped. Regardless, I feel well armed with 5 shots in a J frame. I don't need 15 in a bottom feeder, nor do I feel I'll ever need a second and third mag for one. As far as I can tell, we're not at war around where I live. When I hear its been declared, I won't be toting just a J anyhow.
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Old 10-22-2011, 01:58 PM
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I understand your logic, Dick. But I'm a lot closer to a war zone down here than you are If anyone ever comes up with a belt fed J frame, I've got a market for them.

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I have heard the argument for loading 6 in the strip with a J Frame. I don't do anything without a reason.

This is why I load only 5 in my J Frame strips:

1. I routinely pack a 6 shot 357 or the 5 shot 38. I have loaded strips for both in the drawer. With 5 in the 38 units I can instantly ID which to grab on my way out the door.

2. I have fat fingers and the extra room afforded by the empty space helps me in manipulating them during the reloading process.

3. I am conscious of the weight of the extra gear I am packing. Two loaded rounds of ammo (I usually carry a pair of strips) isn't much, but I like to shed every ounce I can. When packing the J Frame that means I am going light weight on gun because I am also going LW on dress so I don't want to carry more than necessary.

The truth is that I doubt reloading would be an issue. Statistics show that 99% of the time criminals are fleeing after one shot fired by a citizen. The average person is highly unlikely to get into a firefight requiring a reload under pressure.
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If everyone will forgive an off topic question, I found your first picture of that one that your rescued to be interesting. I see that you, like many of us, carry a speed strip with reloads. For a while I also only carried 5 rounds in it simply because of the easy logic that only 5 would fit in the revolver. Then it occurred to me that adding another round would not, in any way, hinder me in reloading the first 5, but would give me an additional round, if needed, at no extra effort. Acknowledging that the likelihood that any of us non-sworn individuals will ever need the eleventh round is astronomical, I wonder how many others only carry 5 rounds in their carriers that were built for 6.

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Let me respond to this with a few questions:

1. Is 6 rounds more than 5?

2. Is it better to need the 6th round and not have it than to have it and not need it?

3. Do six rounds constitute more additional bulk and weight so it would make any difference over 5?

4. Will having a 6th round in a speed strip hinder the reloading of the revolver in any way?

5. What is the capacity of the speed strip?

6. Will the Gods of reloading not smile on you if you carry 6 instead of 5? Or will they?

7. What to give the 11th bad guy for his trouble?

8. What's a brain for?

And finally:

9. What would Jeff Cooper do?

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.

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1. Is 6 rounds more than 5? NOT GREAT AT MATH BUT I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES.

2. Is it better to need the 6th round and not have it than to have it and not need it? NO. BUT THE QUESTION IS WOULD ONE EVER ACTUALLY NEED A 6TH ROUND? THE VAST MAJORITY OF CIVILIAN GUNFIGHTS ARE OVER AFTER 1 - 3 SHOTS.

3. Do six rounds constitute more additional bulk and weight so it would make any difference over 5? IMO, YES. I WANT TO JETTISON AS MUCH WEIGHT AS I CAN IN MY POCKETS.

4. Will having a 6th round in a speed strip hinder the reloading of the revolver in any way? IME, YES. WITH MY FAT FINGERS I CAN WORK IT EASIER IF I HAVE MORE GRIPPING SPACE.

5. What is the capacity of the speed strip? 6

6. Will the Gods of reloading not smile on you if you carry 6 instead of 5? Or will they? I DON'T BELIEVE IN FALSE GODS

7. What to give the 11th bad guy for his trouble? HIGHLY UNLIKELY AN ARMED CITIZEN WILL EVER FIND HIMSELF IN SUCH A SITUATION. THE AVERAGE PERSON FACING 11+ ARMED ATTACKERS PROBABLY NEEDS MORE HELP THAN CAN BE PROVIDED BY 1 OR 2 ROUNDS OF 38 SPECIAL AMMO. I CAN JUST IMAGINE FIRING 5 ROUNDS, RELOADING, FIRING ANOTHER FIVE, AND THEN TRYING TO RELOAD AGAIN WITH A SINGLE CARTRIDGE BEING ALL I HAD AVAILABLE. BETTER OFF TRYING TO UNDONKEY THE AREA.

8. What's a brain for? IS THIS SERIOUS QUESTION?

And finally:

9. What would Jeff Cooper do? HE WOULD HAVE A 1911 COLT LOADED WITH 225 GRAIN SWC LEAD BULLETS OVER 7 GRAINS OF UNIQUE.

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If everyone will forgive an off topic question, I found your first picture of that one that your rescued to be interesting. I see that you, like many of us, carry a speed strip with reloads. For a while I also only carried 5 rounds in it simply because of the easy logic that only 5 would fit in the revolver. Then it occurred to me that adding another round would not, in any way, hinder me in reloading the first 5, but would give me an additional round, if needed, at no extra effort. Acknowledging that the likelihood that any of us non-sworn individuals will ever need the eleventh round is astronomical, I wonder how many others only carry 5 rounds in their carriers that were built for 6.

Bob

I find that the sixth round does "hinder" my ability to manipulate the speed strip. That is to say, I can handle a reload better with more rubber to hold on to. Therefore, I carry five rounds in the speed strip, in a Galco 2x2x2 belt holster.
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1. Is 6 rounds more than 5? Depends on if'n you're using that "new math" or not.

2. Is it better to need the 6th round and not have it than to have it and not need it? It's better to not need ANY rounds.

3. Do six rounds constitute more additional bulk and weight so it would make any difference over 5? A 20% increase is significant.

4. Will having a 6th round in a speed strip hinder the reloading of the revolver in any way? Yes. It's easier to handle a six round speed strip loaded with five rounds.

5. What is the capacity of the speed strip? Depends on which one you buy.

6. Will the Gods of reloading not smile on you if you carry 6 instead of 5? Or will they? I would have to go to hell and ask them but that's not in my travel plans.

7. What to give the 11th bad guy for his trouble? A penny for his thoughts.

8. What's a brain for? If a brain was for anything practical, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in!

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9. What would Jeff Cooper do? He'd probably tell us not to worry so much.
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I posted this elsewhere and have gotten no feed back... I will give it a try here.

I came across a Model 42 today and could use a little sage advice. I am new and a novice, and frankly this was the first one I have seen since I was a kid not paying any attention (so I have no frame of reference). The SN places it in 1973 (as per the definitive thread). When I first picked it up I thought it had been refinished, the alloy frame is a very deep, dark, glossy black and has very little wear. The steel cylinder is a more typical blue, thinner and less of a polished look. Over all there is little wear, almost none, which led me to wonder about the finish on the alloy. The logo can be "felt" and does not appear to be worn by refinishing, the grips have lost some varnish in a few small spots. They are the low horn, smooth type. It has no box and the price is $499. Is what I have described accurate for an issued, non re-finished M42? Your thoughts on the price? Thanks in advance.
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I came across a Model 42 today and could use a little sage advice. I am new and a novice, and frankly this was the first one I have seen since I was a kid not paying any attention (so I have no frame of reference). The SN places it in 1973 (as per the definitive thread). When I first picked it up I thought it had been refinished, the alloy frame is a very deep, dark, glossy black and has very little wear. The steel cylinder is a more typical blue, thinner and less of a polished look. Over all there is little wear, almost none, which led me to wonder about the finish on the alloy. The logo can be "felt" and does not appear to be worn by refinishing, the grips have lost some varnish in a few small spots. They are the low horn, smooth type. It has no box and the price is $499. Is what I have described accurate for an issued, non re-finished M42? Your thoughts on the price? Thanks in advance.
Sounds like some of the Model 042's I've seen. I'm not sure what kind of finish that is on the alloy part of the gun. Most of the Model 12's I've seen have the same type of finish.
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I got it. Traded Glock 19 and got $50 to boot. Bluing is perfect except for wear on a couple of the cylinder lands where the gun must have laid for many years. Tall horn grip number matche, 5 screw, serial 12,2xx. Cleaned it up, trigger feels great. Will take some pictures and post.
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A Mod 40 lettered from 1961, sold to the original Charles Daly company, N.Y.
Note the 4 screw frame discontinued starting in 1957. The frame is stamped Mod 40.







I recently sold this gun to pay some high veterinarian bills for my dog Gunny (see avatar). The shine on the right side profile picture is not wear, it's poor photography.

I did hold on to my low 4 digit Centennial Airweight (lock screw) and my Mod 640. Something had to go, so it was this one.
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I recently acquired what I believe is a "vintage" model 40. It looks exactly like the pictures above.

How do I go about dating and valueing this handgun for insurance purposes?

I appears to be serial number #3199. This number is stamped into the gun in a couple of different locations...at the bottom of the butt of the grip...under side of the barrel when the cylinder is opened.

But, under the cylinder pivot is a different number stamped into the frame. This number is #3796 with a "W" above it and 1 "5" below it.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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I'm a little late to the party but like the guns as much as anyone. This is #171 and was shipped later that you might think, July 17, 1953 to Union Hardware Co., Los Angeles, CA. The 2", blue, smoooth walnut high horn grips are just as they came out of the factory.


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Decisions, decisions... What shall I pack today???

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I got it. Traded Glock 19 and got $50 to boot. Bluing is perfect except for wear on a couple of the cylinder lands where the gun must have laid for many years. Tall horn grip number matche, 5 screw, serial 12,2xx. Cleaned it up, trigger feels great. Will take some pictures and post.
Also got a box of ammo and a tooled leather holster with thumb break.

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I need help finding a boot type grip for my new, old M42. The high horn grip are perfect, but I want a boot type grip to enjoy shooting more. Any ideas where I would find some to fit. Will try to post some pics. Thanks.

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I'm glad I found this thread and hope I can get some ideas on how to return my grandfathers Model 42 to a respectable condition.

This gun was his daily carry and was in a house fire about 3 years ago. The damage was all water related and there was quite a bit of wear on the finish from his daily use. I would love to refinish the gun to original if possible.




Serial # L71XX

I did fire the gun yesterday and it functions fine. The safety is very tight but having never fired it, this may be normal.

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FWIW, Bud's Guns has some "new" Model 42's on their web page for sale as of 4 June 2012. I asked where they came from, and was told "from a large distributor who sold his stocks." Price is $535.

Search term to find them on the Bud's page is "150502"

I am not connected with Bud's Guns in any way -- giving them a "plug" here because the happen to have this special Centennial in stock when no one else does (it is discontinued by S&W). My guess is the ones Bud's is selling were made in 2008-2009 or so. I don't know how many they have in inventory -- it could be only one more. I bought one last night. SOLD OUT BY 7 JUNE 2012.

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I just lucked into this old fellow and put him on layaway. It is a Pre-40, has a 4 digit serial number and is the oldest Centennial that I have ever personally encountered.

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I would love to refinish the gun to original if possible.
I would also suggest getting him the new version,
They are very nicely finished, have the lifetime warranty,
no internal lock and nice diamond grips.

If its mostly ceremonial and you wanna get all fancy buy him the nickel version..Its PURDY!

On the other hand if its main purpose is self defense CCW they made a SS version without the squeeze safety.

If your a masochist they also made one in .357 but its like having an M80 go off in your hand KA-POW!
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Dick Burg has a Nickeled one with a lower number but never got the ship date etc from him, he brought it to a Gunshow one weekend to show me & David Carrol..

I don't know how I missed this thread (even though I posted to it later on). Yes, I've got an early nickel one #157. I bought it maybe in 1999 at a tiny out of the way gun show. I was on my way home from a convention (dull) and used my GPS to guide me cross country, through the National Forest. Yes, I was in my Jeep and needed it. At the show a vendor had it sitting there, wanting too much for it ($500). But I did end up buying it.

When I got to the town, I had no idea where they'd hold a gun show. So driving along the main street I saw a ratty old Blazer parked at a gas pump. It had "camo" paint, a bunch of leaves painted on the side with the main color primer grey. Knowing my hilbillies pretty well, I pulled in and asked the guy where the gun show was. He gave me a funny look and said "there's a gun show in town today?" Yep. So he yelled "follow me", and off we went to the arena.

So during a particularly weak period in my finances, I lettered it. What a terrible mistake. It even helped me come to the conclusion that postwar guns aren't worth the effort or money. It letters as "Open on Company records". Whatever that means. Probably a lunch box gun, or a salesman's sample lifted without paperwork.

Its clearly been carried some, but not worn down or worn out. It just fit my buying style long ago. Something I didn't need or really want, but it did have a low serial #. Since then someone here has and posted an even lower number. Lost to eternity. It did come from either Hazard or Harlan. Nice little towns where guns outnumber people and where you don't sell off your guns very often. Mountain towns where you mind your own business and leave others alone. They carry guns, too. Probably more folks carrying than not. They worried when the CCW law passed, afraid they'd get billed for prior years!
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I'm glad I found this thread and hope I can get some ideas on how to return my grandfathers Model 42 to a respectable condition.

This gun was his daily carry and was in a house fire about 3 years ago. The damage was all water related and there was quite a bit of wear on the finish from his daily use. I would love to refinish the gun to original if possible.




Serial # L71XX

I did fire the gun yesterday and it functions fine. The safety is very tight but having never fired it, this may be normal.
Am I the only person that noticed that this might be an original Pinto finished gun??? This one might be worth lettering to find out. IT's too bad about the damage from the house fire. Based on what a factory letter says about it, it may be worth having professionally refinished. It might be eligible to be a factory job as it is 70's vintage and may still be young enough to be sent back to the factory. You'd have to call and ask them.
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Here's my 3 digit SN Centennial. It's in 98% condition, with the original red box.
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Where do you find grip attachments like this one?

Also, what is the term "lettering" I keep reading here?

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Where do you find grip attachments like this one?

Also, what is the term "lettering" I keep reading here?

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That's a Tyler grip adapter you see there. One of our members also makes this type; search on "grip adapter" and you'll find more data. You can order by computer from either. My little snubbies also have Barami Hip Grips, which allow concealed carry without a holster, either inside the pants at the belt line or in a pocket - the grip stays external while the body of the revolver stays hidden. You can find more information on both of them here:

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"Lettering" refers to getting a factory letter from Smith & Wesson's historian, Roy Jinks, that describes the gun when it was originally shipped, its shipment date, and to whom it was shipped. These letters cost $50 to obtain. You can do a search on this on this forum for details. Roy will need detailed info on the gun and its serial number to do the necessary research for a letter.

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Thank you for the information.

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new member here.

stumbled onto this old thread and wanted to post pics of my fathers 42 that he carried in an ankle holster 18 hrs a day for about 20 years as a DNR Ranger.

thanks for all the research and posting it up.
lots of good info in this thread.
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I too am wandering into this thread late in the game.

I recently acquired a Mdl 42 with a serial 12234. Funny thing is that as per the list at the beginning of this thread, my revolver shouldn't have a 5-screw side panel, at least not with the serial # I have. But it does.
Any ideas?

As well, the grips drive me nuts on this revolver. I can't use a standard speedloader as the top left side of the grip bulges out too much. Any suggestions?

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I just picked up this Model 40 from GunBroker last week. Fairly low price because someone had DuraCoated it. I had always wanted one and finally here was one I could afford. Insides are in good shape, bore looks OK. The story is that it was an undercover cops gun. Well, I bought the gun not the story. It looks like it still has the grip safety pin in the storage location. The serial number is 23793. I am guessing that it puts it about 1964 based on the information in this thread. The grips are numbered but not to this gun. Interestingly enough the grips are numbered 23816, only 23 numbers off the gun. That might lend some credence to the cop story. Then again who really knows. The grips are really oil soaked and are out in the garage under a solution of whitening to get the oil out.
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Here is my brood..The 3 S&W letters were to find the in between gun of 4457 and 4459. The 2 on the outside of the trio. I thought it might have been local but was not. Look at ship dates and location of the 2 pre 42s... 4457 & 4459. Not even close. Only the one was a local gun here in Cleveland area. The middle gun in the pic of 3 is a pre 40 S/N 8294 from June 1956 I believe.
I just bought the shooter Cleveland Police Gun.. it is lettered from the receipt... June 1956.
I included a 940 and a 640 Pro Series although it doesn't fit the subforum time frame either. But the stocks are cool.
I love finding these and buying and shooting... although I have become more partial to the Humpbacks 38 & 49s recently as a carry.





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Beautiful guns and what a mind-blower, having three consecutive serial #'s.

By the way, my 42 is identical to the one of the three on the far left. I have that screw-in-a-screw deal as well, my serial number is 12234.

Where exactly did you go to get a letter from S&W?
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I too am wandering into this thread late in the game.

I recently acquired a Mdl 42 with a serial 12234. Funny thing is that as per the list at the beginning of this thread, my revolver shouldn't have a 5-screw side panel, at least not with the serial # I have. But it does.
Any ideas?

As well, the grips drive me nuts on this revolver. I can't use a standard speedloader as the top left side of the grip bulges out too much. Any suggestions?

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Peter need some pics of the s/n on the butt and the side plate with screws to have a shot at an answer.
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Here are a couple of 99+% pre-M40's. SN 76x shipped May 13, 1953 to Wolf & Klar, Ft. Worth. SN 467x shipped Dec. 29, 1954 to Arizona Hardware Co., Phoenix.



Note that there is no mention of "Centennial" on these early boxes. The next box derivation had "Centennial" in a rubber stamp diagonally over the label. The final variation had "Centennial" printed on the label.

I don't see that anything has been said of the Model 042. This is an interesting variation. It was the first reintroduction of the alloy frame and steel cylinder and barrel and marked MOD 042 on the frame. It was produced only one year...1992 and was never cataloged. It was the predecessor of the M442. I have NIB M042 sn BMB020x. Sorry but no picture of that one.

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Bob,
Thanks for the pics..I have been looking for red boxes for my early centennials but did not know what the end label would look like. I have purchased several Red Boxes for these early 50s J frames in the past 6 months but all but 1 or for baby Chief Specials.(My #1 passion) One is for s 2" 32 Hand ejector which I don't even own
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The bug screw on the top of the side plate screw that helps hold down the top side plate is characteristic of the early pre 42s. That screw would not be counted in the screw count. It seems late to have it in a Model 42. It is possible it was added later by a gun smith or the factory to keep the side plate screw from coming loose. Or it could be an early gun that got stuck in a corner and brought out later to be stamped and sold. A SW letter with pics and S/N to Roy Jinks might solve this. Unless anyone knows of bug screws on a model 42 that late in production.

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Thanks for your input. It is weird to have that bug screw on this model. I guess I'll be firing off a letter to Roy Jinks as suggested.

Does anyone have an address where I could contact Mr. Jenks?

Edit: Never mind, I found it. Vary anxious to find out the history of this revolver...

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I recently acquired what I believe is a "vintage" model 40. It looks exactly like the pictures above.

How do I go about dating and valueing this handgun for insurance purposes?

I appears to be serial number #3199. This number is stamped into the gun in a couple of different locations...at the bottom of the butt of the grip...under side of the barrel when the cylinder is opened.

But, under the cylinder pivot is a different number stamped into the frame. This number is #3796 with a "W" above it and 1 "5" below it.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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John sorry so late to get you an answer. The S/N on the grip butt face is always going to be the S/N. With 1 or 2 exceptions all S&W have the s/n there. Many have them in other places, Barrel flat when cylinder is open, Cylinder face, and under the extractor star. That one is hard to see. Also inside the crane where the Model # would also be stamped after 1957. Later on they stopped stamping everything but the Butt face. I believe sometime in the 1970s
The only 2 guns I can remember not having the s/n on the butt face is a .32 reg police pre war model. And the Bekearts also a .32 from the 1920s.
So what ever other numbers are on the gun.. the butt face is the place to start. If the barrel flat, cylinder face and extractor star have different numbers then the gun has been parted together and the value is diminished. The grips also have the s/n on the right panel. If the stocks, also called grips are not original it is usually not a big deal as long as they are period correct. Unless you are a serious collector.
To your gun..I don't have an exact date but it was shipped probably in 1953 or 1st part of 1954. "Probably" because these were often shipped out of order. But that is a good bet. Certainly not earlier but easily it could be later.

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Earlier this week I picked up a NIB 42, its an L prefix gun, pretty late in production, just under 900 from the last known one produced (judging from the L9861 number earlier in this thread). On the box in the "special features" section, it has 1055/1510. can anyone shed some light on this, as I cant find any information on that on the web or in my book. I'll have to post an obligatory picture later this evening.

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An update in case anyone's interested...


Got my letter from Mr Jinks. Turns out that my l'il baby was built on May 9th, 1959 and delivered to Ellwood Epps Sporting Goods in Ontario Canada. Which is still in business, I'm pleased to add.
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"This revolver was shipped with a 2" barrel, blue finish and smooth high horn walnut grips. This is a rare variation having the extra locking screw preventing the top side plate screw form working loose."



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Looks to me like that was a retirement gift from management. I guess they took QC a little more seriously back then.
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Since the revolver shipped to Canada, the likelihood is that QC stands for Queen's Counsel, a type of lawyer in Commonwealth countries.

Lots of opportunities for research with this one. You have the name, the date, and the location.

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Hey Bob
A little more history on the "Mod 042" from a factory letter! The guns were made to recover the cost of a problem(the factory never wasted anything). They were made on 642 frames that the factory was having problems producing a proper finish on for the 642! I have owned 2(still have one) of these and under close inspection you will find the mod 042 was stamped over the original 642 stamping. Both of the guns I have had were a high polished blue but I have seen a dull blue finish also. This model was never a catalogue item. These were sold in 1992 and 1993 with a total production of 4415 guns made. An interesting side note to scrap frames, the factory also produced a "Mod 032". These were produced on "cosmetically imperfect frames" of the 632 model. There were 180 of these made in 1992.
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Since the revolver shipped to Canada, the likelihood is that QC stands for Queen's Counsel, a type of lawyer in Commonwealth countries.

Lots of opportunities for research with this one. You have the name, the date, and the location.

Bob

Sorry guys, I guess I didn't make myself clear LOL

I know who Morton Greenglass is. He was a lawyer in Toronto Canada and he had, in the 60's -70's, a permit to carry. The issue I had was simply trying to figure out the manufacture year of this revolver. The markings didn't jive with that 3rd locking screw, it was driving me nuts...

Thanks for the comments though. I just wanted to post my findings. I hate it when newbs show up to a new forum and post questions, then never post their findings when they do discover the answers. Disrespectful in my opinion...
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I bought this a couple of weeks ago from "noconeetrader" aka Handejector...
It is a very very nice early model 42 from 1958. S/N 12284. The interesting thing about this is the very late date to still have the "bug screw" on the upper side plate. I have some early examples from 1953/54 with the Bug screw. See earlier posts. July 18 2013.
However, Peter2772000 has one 50 numbers different from mine also with the Bug Screw. Sn 12234. So the Bug screw may have been used much later than stated in SCSW. It is also possible when the upper side plate screw didn't seat well they just used them randomly until there was a design change.
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Joe,

Thanks for the info on the Mod. 042. Roy told me that the Mod. 042 was built from the left over frames of the original 642. The stainless steel yokes were finished in a black finish to match the barrel and cylinder and the frame was anodized in black. As you noted, there were 4415 of them made like this.

Since the box is marked 42, he said that the Factory just shipped them out to the distributors to fill the M42 orders and didn't pay any attention to how they were marked. The MOD. 042 was more for internal use than for the dealers.

Whatever the finish problems might have been, this little gun is one of the prettiest of the litter. Even with a magnifier, there is no indication of an overstamped model number.

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Here is my model marked 42 with all the pre model features and the Bug screw.The serial number is 12706.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/98794472@N04/10274723886/ by alex1961m, on Flickr
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Those are 3 model marked model 42s from 1958/59 era with Bug Screws. Apparently they are alot more common during this era than the literature suggests. (SCSW by Supica and Nahas) See Post 143, 146 & 148.
Does anyone have anymore info or insight into this?
What is the latest known S/N with a Bug Screw on a Model 42? Show us some higher s/n...so far the highest I have ever seen at 12706 by 05carbondrz
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I am about 99% sure that these where left over frames that where model stamped after 57' and shipped out.
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