Correct Stocks on 1980 vintage 19-4

[jrd1976]

The label on the box says "ST" in the area marked Stocks.
What does this stand for?
Could someone post a picture of the correct stocks for a P&R, 1980 vintage, 4" blue SB, Model 19-4?

thanks

[StakeOut]

ST or TS means Target Stocks

In 1980 the Target Stocks would have had the football cutout for speed loaders and black washers.

EDIT:Only an S denotes service type magna style stocks

[kscharlie]

The 19-4 started in production is 1977. It wasn't much later than this when target stocks were changed from the football relief cut to the speedloader relief cut. So I would think that an earlier model 19-4 could have either one, depending somewhat on the year of manufacture. My 19-4, from 1978, has the speedloader relief cut.

[JP@AK]

By 1980, there is a very good chance a Model 19-4 would have the speedloader cut. I have a K-38 Model 14-4 that letters to 1980 and it does (I bought it new and those stocks were on it).

However, as others have indicated, there could have been some "footballs" hanging around yet, so it could have shipped with those also. I don't think there is any way of being sure. A letter will only say it shipped with targets.

[Laketime]

Originally Posted by StakeOut

ST or TS means Target Stocks

In 1980 the Target Stocks would have had the football cutout for speed loaders and black washers.

EDIT:Only an S denotes service type magna style stocks

That would be silver washers past 1972

[StakeOut]

Originally Posted by Laketime

That would be silver washers past 1972

Once stainless revolvers were being sold silver washers were made for them.

The earliest silver washer stocks were made for the stainless revolvers but blued guns continued to use the black washer till stocks were used up around 1979-80 +/-

Target Stocks lost the washers in late 1985 and at about the same time bar codes began to appear on end labels.

Only original gun owners can say for sure which stocks were shipped on their guns from the factory in transition periods that often lasted a few years.

[Laketime]

Originally Posted by StakeOut

Once stainless revolvers were being sold silver washers were made for them.

The earliest silver washer stocks were made for the stainless revolvers but blued guns continued to use the black washer till stocks were used up around 1979-80 +/-

Target Stocks lost the washers in late 1985 and at about the same time bar codes began to appear on end labels.

Only original gun owners can say for sure which stocks were shipped on their guns from the factory in transition periods that often lasted a few years.

I use to believe that time frame you mentioned,since I have a set of black washers that are original to a 1980 gun.I have since learned here of a different time frame of black washers used up and disappearing around 1972.I would prefer your time frame since I cannot figure out how an 8 year old factory set of stocks made it onto a 1980 vintage gun.And I did know the gun and original owner ,and it did ship with those black washers.Thanks for the feedback on the time frame.

[wetdog]

Here's a couple more pics that may help.

[saemetric]

I've found that many boxes of K frames with early target stocks with speedloader cutouts had the ST designation on the label. I think this may have been for Speedloader Targets to differentiate from previous TS or T wither football cuts.

[SS57]

My 19-4 is a twin to wetdog's. I bought it new Aug 81. It still looks new as does wetdog's. Great gun.