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Old 09-23-2010, 11:22 PM
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Question Thoughts on a sad S&W 19-2

Well I was a one of my favorite local pawn shops recently an saw this very sad S&W model 19-2 pinned and recessed four inch bull barrel blued (well some blued). It was priced ~ $475 which would be a good price provided it be actually cosmetically ok. Mechanically it checked out good.

The finish is bare metal on half the cylinder and most of the frame and it has muzzle wear on the sides. The sides of the frame behind the cylinder actually felt pretty rough. Looks like it was bleed all over or has citrus drink spilled on it. At this point I didnít bother to pull the grips (diamond) thinking there might be more bargaining power there. The case hardened hammer has quite a bit of rust on it, however I think it would clean up ok.

So I decided it might make it a good project gun figuring Iíd be able to get it in the neighborhood of ~ $200. Well I went prepared to bargain with similar references in hand for like specimens in good condition. I spoke with the owner, on good terms with him because Iím a preferred customer He runs the numbers and says it could be mine for $347

I said at best itís only worth $200 as it needs refinish and a little fix on the end shake, easily $300. Well no joy, he held firm and I said itíll have to stay there because we arenít even close.

So Iím looking for thoughts if I am in the ball park. I may be in a better position after it languishes there for a while. But for now itís still looking for a new owner.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:28 PM
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Sometimes, you just have to walk away. I guarantee there will be others.

That said....I have a tough time walking away too.


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Old 09-23-2010, 11:41 PM
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I picked this guy up for $350.00...





It's my current "winter project" gun. It's pretty beat up finish wise. Mechanically SOLID.

I probably paid to much. But, I'm happy with the pistol. How does your pistol compare?

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Old 09-23-2010, 11:43 PM
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I wouldn't give $200 for it unless I could live with it as is.

This would be #21 of my 99 FAQs.


Restoring or rebuilding guns.

21. If you are asking about refinishing a worn looking gun or rebuilding a beater gun, in the vast majority of cases the cost will exceed the value of the finished product. Just rebluing a revolver will run $250 or more by the time you add shipping costs and refinishing the gun will actually lower its value in most instances. If the gun is an heirloom, or has some special meaning, and you want it looking like new and the cost be damned then go for it. But most times refinishing a gun is not economically feasible.
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I picked this guy up for $350.00...

It's my current "winter project" gun. It's pretty beat up finish wise. Mechanically SOLID.

I probably paid to much. But, I'm happy with the pistol. How does your pistol compare?
Well it's about the same category I'd say. My idea was for a "winter project gun" as well.
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I have a book on rebluing that I will either rent to you or photocopy pages for you for only $100. This way you can learn how to reblue the gun yourself and the total investment will still be in the ballpark.
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I wouldn't give $200 for it unless I could live with it as is.

This would be #21 of my 99 FAQs.


Restoring or rebuilding guns.

21. If you are asking about refinishing a worn looking gun or rebuilding a beater gun, in the vast majority of cases the cost will exceed the value of the finished product. Just rebluing a revolver will run $250 or more by the time you add shipping costs and refinishing the gun will actually lower its value in most instances. If the gun is an heirloom, or has some special meaning, and you want it looking like new and the cost be damned then go for it. But most times refinishing a gun is not economically feasible.

I'm kid of that same mindset however, my thoughts were, if I scored it for ~$200, to bead blast it and do a electroless nickel finish myself (under $100 total). Granted it won't be like from the pro's but it would be saved and put in good serviceable condition and I'd have a project gun complete for ~ $350.
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For $347 I would buy it, clean up the rust, shoot it and enjoy it.
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i just bought a nice 19-3 from gander mtn. for 299, with box and tools. if that helps. had a little stock damage and some holster wear, but what a nice gun over all. thes sell pretty cheap around here. they had 3 other 19's for 250 apiece, but they were 4" and i wanted six.
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It sounds as though you have the skills to rehab the gun at relatively low cost - but $347 in the condition stated, no. Perhaps e-mail Mr. IHC and get one of the $250 ones he saw .
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My opinion, for what it's worth, you did right by walking away.
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Sounds like walking away was the right thing to do but for me that's easier said then done. Keep an eye on it and keep letting them know that you have $200.00 bucks for it. I get bummed out when I think I have missed out on a once in a lifetime gun deal just to pick up a better gun at half the price three weeks later.
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Keep an eye on it and keep letting them know that you have $200.00 bucks for it.
I agree with this advice. See if he still values it at his price in 60 or 90 days. Eventually, he'll probably realize this isn't the one he's going to retire off of, and that he needs room in the case for a piece that he can actually make money on.
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If you can't throw down the money that the dealer wants its best to forget about it. Thing is, gun stores will let those things sit for a long time before they will let it go for under what they paid (most likely he's trying to make 50 bucks off the deal meaning he probably bought it for around 300). If its still sitting there in 6 months he might let it go at cost.

PS I work for a local gun store, I swear I'm not just talking out my butt!
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Hi,
I agree with others about you walking away. The revolver is not worth more than $200. Sometime back I went in to a gun shop and saw two S&W revolvers that needed a lot of work. One was a 19-4 6 inch and a 36 no dash. The 19-4 had rust on two places on the cylinder and a little rust spots on the right side plate. The 36 was in worst condition with rust on alot of the revolver. I looked at both and checked the bore and I could not see any rust or pitting. After much bargaining I bought both. The 19-4 6 inch cost me $219 plus fees total $269. The 36 cost $99 plus fees total $138.
Bottom line, as much as you might want to buy a gun at a shop over paying for a revolver that is not in great condition is wasting money. Some of these gun shops and pawn shops think they can now ask insane prices for poor condition guns.
Its better to be patience and wait for a fair deal. Here is my 19-4 after I cleaned the revolver. It turned out ok. The 36 I am about ready to reblue the revolver.
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Here are two that I bought for just over 200 but I didn't do anything to them. I just shoot them. The model 36 has been pocket carried and skinned up and the model 15 was not properly stored and has some pits on it.


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Last year I bought a Nickel 19-3 with a 6" barrel in a Presentation Case for $325. Both gun and Case are darn near NIB.

No need to think too hard about the gun, visit some local gun shows to help take your mind off it.
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If you can't throw down the money that the dealer wants its best to forget about it. Thing is, gun stores will let those things sit for a long time before they will let it go for under what they paid (most likely he's trying to make 50 bucks off the deal meaning he probably bought it for around 300). If its still sitting there in 6 months he might let it go at cost.

PS I work for a local gun store, I swear I'm not just talking out my butt!
That's a good point as well. I frequent the local gun shops here and I usually only buy used. I always try to talk them down. But sometimes it just is what it is. I once talked a local mom & pop gun shop down on a gun and later found out that they had only made $30.00 on the deal. I felt bad and I can't figure out how they would stay in business making me deals like that. And if they are willing to hold a gun for me till I can come up with the money I don't even try to talk them down.
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nice gun, way to much money. if you could get it cheaper- tr gun kote(professionally done) would make it great for carry
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I would say you are definitely in the ball park. That shop owner is completely out of his mind for a gun in the condition described. I've picked up near new 19s for $350 and a 6" with minor holster wear for $299.
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Pretty hard to come out on a project gun unless you can do almost everything by yourself or work a deal with a friend. Shipping is getting to be pricey and a factory refinish on a 19 is around $200 last I knew. At the moment I have a decent holster worn, $250 Model 19 into S&W for endshake, etc.; but I got a real break on shipping and don't plan to get it refinished.

Good deals are where you find them. Buying in haste hasn't worked out well for me, whereas stubborn patience and persistence has.

God grant me patience and grant it NOW.
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I have two Smiths I rescued. One was a 24-3, 3". Finish was bad, rear sight was missing and one of the combat grips was cracked. Paid $375. Had S & W refinish it, new rear sight, and a member here on the forum sold me a used set of combat grips. Have a little over $650. in it now. Not sure if it was a good investment, but I have had it for nearly 12 years and put a lot of rounds through it. Second was a 36-6 Full lug. Someone had carried it as a Belly/Court gun and the finish was a mess. Sent it to S & W for a refinish and also had them put on red ramp and w/o sights. Have well over $600 in it. Perhaps not a good investment but again I have had it for several years.
Both were kind of un-common revolvers that I did not see for sale often. Guess if you have the money, why not. Its only money, you will earn some more.
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Often guns with extreme rust issues in unusual patterns are suicide guns. Blood plays hell with bluing.
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I can vouch for that. I picked up a Mod.10 that has deep rust putting on the left side . And other things have me believing that it was only fired once and then sealed in an evidence bag.
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