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Old 04-22-2018, 10:45 PM
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Good afternoon, fellow 58 fans. A lot of nice revolvers here.

Quick question for any one of you - could you please measure the height of the front sight on your revolver for me?

I'm looking for the measurement of top (flat) of barrel to extreme top of the front sight.

I had traded for a great model 58 in Montana, that I found later belonged to a fellow member here on the the forum from Missouri. Apparently, if I remember correctly, he had sold it to another member from Texas.

Anyway, this model 58 had the original front sight drilled and fitted with a speck of glow-in-the-dark luminant that was filled with dust and whatnot, and because it was so far in to the sight, never saw any light, and thus would never glow.

Being that I obsess over things too much, I just had to "fix" the thing because all it was was a hole right into the front sight.

So, I sent it off to the factory for replacement, and I just got it back recently, and I'm really disappointed in the work.

The sight does not lay flat against the top of the barrel, so that now I constantly get a rag wedged under the leading edge, and it also appears to be way too high compared to the pictures I see here of original ones.

I thought about taking it out back and shooting it to check elevation, but I'm not really happy about the whole thing, and can't bring myself around to running expensive .41 mag ammo through it, being that the front sight isn't sitting flat against the barrel, to begin with.

So with all of that said, could one or two of you put a caliper on your front sight and let me know what it should be? I'm going to have to get this one replaced too, and I want to fit it with the correct one.

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After writing this, I was able to remember how to add photos. Here's the pics of my 58 before sending to S&W (with the hole drilled in the sight), and after (with the unseated sight).

I've since removed the unseated front sight, but I'm still waiting for someone to put a caliper on their revolver, and tell me what the height is suppose to be so that I can purchase a replacement.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!




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Old 04-23-2018, 11:25 AM
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Just checked mine. It appears to be .210, as best as I can tell.
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I have a question for you guys. I have a 58 I picked up a few years ago from the original owner. SN S327XXX. It did not have the box, so I have no idea what the factory configuration was. It has a service hammer, target trigger and target grips. Is it possible came from the factory that way? I would think not, but wanted to see what you guys think. I don't recall if the grips were numbered to the gun, but they are packed away and are not easily accessible right now.

Also... I need to have it worked on. The timing is possibly off, as it binds up in both SA and DA. Any recommendations who to send it to? There are no local 'smith's that I trust to do the work. Our local guy seriously goobered up a simple sight install on my M&P22C, no way will I trust him with my 58.

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Old 04-23-2018, 10:44 PM
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Just checked mine. It appears to be .210, as best as I can tell.
That One Guy, thanks much for getting me that measurement. The one the factory put in as a replacement was .241, and just appeared way too high.

I found a front sight on ebay, and have it on the way.


Also as for configuration, I have an early N serial number, and it has target trigger, service hammer, and PC Magnas numbered to the gun. My knowledge of the 58's is pretty limited, so perhaps others can help you with more.

As for repair work, I have always had the best service with S&W itself. They have worked on almost every revolver I have as I send them all in to the factory, once I find a new one. The trigger work I get back has always been excellent, and they'll always find and fix things that I didn't even know where issues, and not even charge me for them.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure what happened with this sight replacement that I wrote about, as it was just wrong in more than two ways, but I wouldn't stop sending stuff to them in the future because of this one thing.



Thanks again!

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Old 04-28-2018, 03:47 PM
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I was t a local gun shop the other day . He showed me a 58 he had for sale . It had been refinished , chromealloy type or something like it . What was interesting was someone in the past had round butted the grip frame . He offered it to me for $650 , " out the door " . I told him I needed to think about it . I would have to remove the grips and see if the grip change had been done professionally or another " bubba job " .
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I guess I'm just too much of a purest, I do not own a model 58 but, do own a nice model 57. I'd have to pass on this modified one but, that's just my $.02.
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Over 40 years ago I won an 8 3.8" 57 at a shooting match (it had been fired and came with two boxes of ammo).

My intent was to sell it since I already had a couple .44 Magnums but I made the mistake of shooting it - one of the most accurate revolvers I've ever encountered.

So I started handloading for it. Then a good friend who I boar hunted with (he was an engineer in the ammo dept of a major manufacturer) showed me his model 58 converted to .45 Colt - every time he shot one it just fell down on the spot and I wanted to make one so I started looking for model 58s.

In short order I found deals on 3 of them. One had been roundbutted, one had a lot of wear on the finish, and one was pristine.

I left the pristine one alone and it turned out to be very accurate. I picked the one with the less than perfect finish for conversion but came upon a deal on a .44 Magnum barrel and a cylinder for free so it sort of made its own choice to become a .44.

I cut the barrel off at the ejector rod housing (3.25" I think) and round butted it - alas the most accurate load for it is full charge Federal 240 gr JHPs - they hurt! I sort of shelved the project and have not refinished the gun yet but some day.

I am not sure how to post pics but I will try (the group on the left was Triton 165 and the right was Federal 240 JHP - shot at 25 yards)
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Old 04-28-2018, 06:05 PM
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howdy , model 58 are boss , I own 2 and looking for 3 or 4 , or 3
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Is anyone aware of any Florida law enforcement agencies using the Model 58 in the late 1960s?
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After writing this, I was able to remember how to add photos. Here's the pics of my 58 before sending to S&W (with the hole drilled in the sight), and after (with the unseated sight).

I've since removed the unseated front sight, but I'm still waiting for someone to put a caliper on their revolver, and tell me what the height is suppose to be so that I can purchase a replacement.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!



I'd probably have the hole filled with Gold and forget it, looks centered?
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Old 05-08-2018, 07:35 PM
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I keep searching the for sale/auction sites but, nothing yet, hopefully someday?
I do wish posters would go back in and repair photos on their posts, please? That darn Photobucket!!!
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I have a question for you guys. I have a 58 I picked up a few years ago from the original owner. SN S327XXX. It did not have the box, so I have no idea what the factory configuration was. It has a service hammer, target trigger and target grips. Is it possible came from the factory that way? I would think not, but wanted to see what you guys think. I don't recall if the grips were numbered to the gun, but they are packed away and are not easily accessible right now.

Also... I need to have it worked on. The timing is possibly off, as it binds up in both SA and DA. Any recommendations who to send it to? There are no local 'smith's that I trust to do the work. Our local guy seriously goobered up a simple sight install on my M&P22C, no way will I trust him with my 58.
Yes, it is possible that it came from the factory that way. I have seen one at a gun show that had the properly marked box. I also saw one I believe here on the S&W Forums...

When you say "binding up", you mean the cylinder gets sticky turning? Is it only on some of the chambers or all of them? That usually isn't timing, it is usually a cylinder gap issue when the cylinder face is dragging on the end of the barrel.

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Here is my first year model 58 no dash. I got it off of GB.com from a dealer in Alaska. I assume it must have been carried frequently due to the finish that was applied to it. To me the finish looks good on the gun. Looks like a model 10 on steroids
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Lobo...can you tell what the finish is?

I have one that has been parkerized...it is gray...I like your flat black more...

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I have one that has been parkerized...it is gray...I like your flat black more...

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I don't know what the finish is, it came that way when I got it. I wish I knew though as I like it too
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Heck any 58 in nice tight shooting condition is a good gun!
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I don't know how he did it, but I sent a 581 to Carl Sokol years ago for some customization and he had to re-blue it and it came with a flat black bluing too - just like that M58.
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I might just as well admit it, I'm more into adjustable sighted S&W I can move the sights on to adjust for different loads for. Could never see the high prices on 58s, especially the few that surface every once in a while, I've been looking. I'll stick with my model 57 in four inch. You guys have fun with these.
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I have just one 58 . I dropped a pin gauge down the barrel and it stopped where the " roll stamping " on the barrel was . That told me there was a tight spot . 12 rounds of " fire lap " bullets fixed it . It is even more accurate now than before . I fired rounds from mild to wild hand loads , all shot well . I have found owning a set of pin gauges a worth while investment if you shoot revolvers . I went to amazon and got a set for about $100 . I can determine , accurately cylinder throat size and ck a barrel for tight spots from the muzzle to the forcing cone . My group size on my 58 went from almost 5" to 1.5" @ 20 yds after removing the tight spot in the barrel . This was all done using a bench rest , for consistency . Regards, Paul
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Looks like I just joined the club! Thank you for all the motivation, I couldn’t have done it without you...lol.

The serial # is S329. What would the ‘correct’ typical grip be? It has a rubber grip on it now, which will be removed immediately.
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Issue grips for that gun were PC Magnas. See post number 1245.
They are rare as whale **** these days.
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Try a model 57 you'll never go back! All this with adjustable sights.
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My father has one and I’m next in line. I’m in no hurry. This 58 will be fun to play with.
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Issue grips for that gun were PC Magnas. See post number 1245.
They are rare as whale **** these days.
Ahhhh, with the turndown detail on the sides. If anyone has a spare set they’d like to get rid of, please pm me.

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I shopped gun broker and in the past have found them . I have purchased 2 sets there . go to " gun parts " scroll down and find " pistol grips " then type " Smith and Wesson Grips " . I actually contacted several of the vendors and asked if they had " PC Magna's " , even though they were not listed . I always got , sooner or later what I wanted ,but it took some patience and effort . Yes , they are very scarce and are getting quite pricey . I doubt you will find anyone here willing to sell a set , but you might . Good Luck , Paul

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Perhaps this my first blog on a truly Jurassic Thread! Worse, perhaps blogged here before and simply forgotten; life happening. Anyway, here goes!
Model Fifty Eight-esque; aka Combat Masterpiece... on steroids!
Built by Bill Davis Co. Big as era IPPC builders. This gun not; nor built for me. Simply incidental purchaser in late seventies. Pix below & pretty self-explanatory omitting question of 'why'. Nice gun and 'unusual'! SN S2604xx. (Sorry, no essential 'top shot' in my file pix. But looking completely factory-stock'.) The firm made a good job of it!
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I remember Bill Davis well but, 58s had non adjustable sights? IIRC Better a model 15 on steriods?
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Yup! Model 15! That's what I meant to say! Thanks!
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Can I join your club? It's an M28, not a 58 but it's been converted to .41mag using a 357PD cylinder and a 4" M58 barrel (cut down to 3").

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Belated return to be quite clear on this customized 41 Mag 4" gun description. It IS a Model 58, converted to the adjustable sights. The 57 target model was with barrel underlug. Model 15 is a better descriptor because all Mod 58 in the model number era. Otherwise Combat Masterpiece apropos. See my pre-15 CM below (From 1949 - first year production) as K frame 'look alike'.

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[QUOTE=WC145;140069715]Can I join your club? It's an M28, not a 58 but it's been converted to .41mag using a 357PD cylinder and a 4" M58 barrel (cut down to 3").

Very neat looking gun! I like it! Perhaps to have chosen ramp front versus target front sight, but quite distinctive looking... 'Character!'
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Belated return to be quite clear on this customized 41 Mag 4" gun description. It IS a Model 58, converted to the adjustable sights. The 57 target model was with barrel underlug. Model 15 is a better descriptor because all Mod 58 in the model number era. Otherwise Combat Masterpiece apropos. See my pre-15 CM below (From 1949 - first year production) as K frame 'look alike'.

Clarification only here...
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But, your picture shows a gun without ejector housing on the barrel? You, surely, must have more knowledge of mentioned gun, than I?
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Can I join your club? It's an M28, not a 58 but it's been converted to .41mag using a 357PD cylinder and a 4" M58 barrel (cut down to 3").

Absolutely!

Come on in! Plus you get some style points for that entry
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who knew there was a model 58 club? this must be where the cool guys hang out.

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Don’t know if I am a cool guy, but the Model 58 is the coolest revolver S&W ever made.......
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Don’t know if I am a cool guy, but the Model 58 is the coolest revolver S&W ever made.......
well, you certainly have good taste in handguns.
i wanted to point out the difference in the size of the sfpd markings on my gun and the sfpd owned by mikeruns on page one of this thread. my serial # is s3142xx. is this a fake mark? i bought this gun at a great western gun show in los angeles back in the '70s and it is still the most accurate revolver i've ever shot.(8grns unique+210gr bullet)
i've already stretched the hand once and started to worry about wearing it out so i got this other one a couple weeks ago on gun broker that looked less worn. these things beg to be shot.
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I just (re) joined. I had a model 58 years ago, cannot recall the dumb reason for parting with it but I just remedied that. I shoot a model 57 and an old model Blackhawk .41 Magnum and will shoot this as well.
Serial number S2579XX, the grips are numbered and it came with a worn but original box. My Heiser holster tops it off, I wonder if I lived where I could wear a coat if the PC grips would help it not print ?
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Issue grips for that gun were PC Magnas. See post number 1245.
They are rare as whale **** these days.
I found the blue one with the numbers matching grips still on it. Lucky to get the nickel one with cokes. Both are S prefix. Proud to own them.
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I just (re) joined. I had a model 58 years ago, cannot recall the dumb reason for parting with it but I just remedied that. I shoot a model 57 and an old model Blackhawk .41 Magnum and will shoot this as well.
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I found the blue one with the numbers matching grips still on it. Lucky to get the nickel one with cokes. Both are S prefix. Proud to own them.
As well you should.....those are some nice examples.
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Just received my Driskill stags today! Between the cell camera and shooting nickel, the quality of the pics are less than desirable, but you get the idea.

These stags really bring out the beauty of the 58 nickel!

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These stags really bring out the beauty of the 58 nickel!

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Elk or Sambar?
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SAFireman and turneriver, I concur, a lot of pretty firearms here!
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What brand/model Speedloader is that? I've only been able to find HKS
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