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My about 10 year search is now over.
While on a work trip to Salt Lake City, I fond an S range SN Model 58 in damn good shape, not great but a damn good shooter, in nickel.
Finally I have a great shooter. It was just in the used gun sections of Cabellas for under 600$ so yeah it got shipped to my local store very much quick.
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pictures, pictures, please
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now with pictures. as you can see these are the before, will have to put some rounds down range and then clean it all up for some after photos. But I think its in great shape for a S range SN Mod58.
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dagamore...nice find...that will make an exceptional shooter.
A question...the finish looks "matte"...not polished nickel. Is there an N on the left side of the gripframe under the grips? If there is no N then the gun was originally blue that someone probably had hard chromed...that makes it an even better shooter/carry gun...
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I plan on using it as a carry/shooter, i dont get the safe queen gun thing, it is an older gun, ~67/68 based on the SN#, I do not know if it has an N on the grip, will take a look at that later. I spent some time cleaning it up and brought a lot of the finish back. The above shots were when it was in the store, and it did not have a box or anything, so who knows how it was taken care of. I did think the Crane was replaced at some point, because it is bight and very wear free compared to the rest of the revolver.
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took the grip off and got some photos of the markings under the grip, I dont see an N, but I could be wrong. about the best I could do with my phone for photos.
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IIRC the N would be on the left side of the frame just ahead of the grip locator pin...it is fairly large...
This your first .41?
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Thanks for sharing everyone.
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IIRC the N would be on the left side of the frame just ahead of the grip locator pin...it is fairly large...
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Not my first 41, I have a Redhawk and a Blackhawk in 41 Rem Mag as well. I love the round, I think its about the perfect pistol hunting round for North America. I did use my Blackhawk in Poland to hunt boar, and that was a hoot and a half.
The only N like thing I can see on the frame is a light small sort of russian looking lowercase n, so I doubt it was a factory nickle gun, but I have a letter off to S&W historian and will updated when that gets in.
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Saw what I think is the highest price paid for a LNIB 1970s vintage Model 58...$2240!! I have seen LNIB 58s sell in the past for in the $1500+- range but can't ever remember one over $2K....
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SLOBBER ALERT!
It is widely known I'm a 57 fanatic and a devotee of the Ruger Blackhawk in .41. The cartridge is the same and I handload a lot of them.
210-grain Nosler JHP over 19.9 grs of H110 and a CCI mag primer
210-grain Sierra JHP (ditto)
Very accurate and they don't pound your hand.
Now, I've also run the Speer 210 Gold Dot over H110 and 2400 and they do quite well.
Likewise the 210-grain Hornady JHP is a good bullet.
Go forth and shoot!
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I just brought home my new Henry Big Boy 41 Mag lever action to go with my beat up model 58 and 100 41 Spl brass from Starline, I am a happy camper. Will step out back to try em with real 41 mags in the next couple of days.
As far as the Model 58, I have never seen a Model of gun looks so worn so fast in all my days. Maybe it is cause they get shot a lot?
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Anyone who carries a .41 in bear woods, what is your favorite bullet? A cast 220+ WFP?
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Frank - In some parts of Texas we are seeing a resurgence of 'Mexican Black Bear' .....they have been seen in the Big Bend area and parts west of us.
I routinely carry Remington 210gr JSP. I have not had an opportunity to test them on a large bear, but they have gone through feral hogs at the shoulder and keep on going. The largest hog that I have shot with the 41 was probably well over 400lbs.
The only bear that I have interest in hunting is an Alaska Grizzly (coastal brown), so I am not out looking for the Mexican Black Bears, but I feel confident that if one tried to tree me, that I would prevail.
I have seen some hard cast 240gr LSWCGC that would do the trick @1400 fps or better.
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I'm in the same boat as SAFireman in that I don't hunt black bears but we are seeing black bears making a come back in Mississippi.
I would feel safe with any of the following bullets loaded in my model 58 or my Ruger BH,
Beartooth Bullets Secure Online Shopping
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Some nice looking bullets, thanks LOBO.
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Aloha,
I, my friend and the Alaskan fishing guide have been within 25 yards or so
of an Alaskan Grizzly bear estimated to be at least 600 pounds+.
I was carrying a 6" 657, my friend had a 4" 629 and the guide had a shorty
Remington 308 bolt action carbine.
We Very Quickly Very Quietly got out of HIS salmon stream.
After we got to the boat and out of the area, we discussed how very Under
gunned we all felt at the moment we saw the bear.
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For those new to the 41 Mag it penetrates like almost nothing I have ever seen in a big bore revolver. Have a good backstop when you fire it.
The new Henry 41 mag is a winner and a sweet, sweet, accurate shooter.
( I still think marlin goofed up by discontinuing it) I like it a heck of a lot and with my model 58 I feel good about anything I run across in this part of far north Texas except maybe the occasionally reported sesquatch that I think sneaks in over the nearby Red River from Oklahoma.
Course looking on my hunting tags I don't see sesquatch listed so it won't be because I am hunting one.
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Aloha,
I, my friend and the Alaskan fishing guide have been within 25 yards or so
of an Alaskan Grizzly bear estimated to be at least 600 pounds+.
I was carrying a 6" 657, my friend had a 4" 629 and the guide had a shorty
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We Very Quickly Very Quietly got out of HIS salmon stream.
After we got to the boat and out of the area, we discussed how very Under
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At a time like that I'd think a good Westly Richards double .470 Nitro Express with soft points would be just right?
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Count me in as a new member. Got this one wearing Cokes. I know they were wearing magna P C's from factory but Cokes!!!! who cares. It is an S prefix so I guess it could have been bought new wearing them with dealer or distributor upgrade. What do yall think?
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Cokes go nicely with nickel....
Beautiful gun...Bob
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Saw a blue 60s vintage NIB 58 sell for over $2K on GunBroker a few weeks ago... I think that is the only one I have seen that high...
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Count me in as a new member. Got this one wearing Cokes. I know they were wearing magna P C's from factory but Cokes!!!! who cares. It is an S prefix so I guess it could have been bought new wearing them with dealer or distributor upgrade. What do yall think?
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Thinking about it...I would find a correct set of PC Magna grips and sell the Cokes... One set I saw sell on eBay a couple of months ago brought $800...
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Most of us who have 58's keep them , I know mine's not going anywhere soon. I told the wife that when my time comes to slip it in the box with me....I'm going to try to take it with me !
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Gary,
My very first 58 came with the help of a good friend and brother FF....It won't be going anywhere without me any time soon. I think that I would like to pass it on to a fellow 58 lover (or recent inductee) rather than remove it from circulation forever.
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I was only joking , I don't really believe I could take it with me. Someone in the family will get custody of it after me.
It would be a crying same to bury a nice model 58.
I wonder if there will be a shooting range in heaven...that would be my idea of heaven !
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A few yrs back I bought a blue 58 on gunbroker . The ad said " bank vault tight lockup " . When I got , the lock up was sooo loose that I refused to shoot it . Didn't have much luck with the seller either then, so I sent it back to the factory . For $189+shipping , it was fixed . I have shot it quite a bit and will never sell it . I have a buddy that sent one to Bowen Hamilton several years ago and had it converted to 45 LC . Real sweet shooting gun . But I will keep mine in 41 magnum .
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Hamilton converted this one to 45 Colt with a 5" barrel. Keith Brown did the Roper style grips.
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A few yrs back I bought a blue 58 on gunbroker . The ad said " bank vault tight lockup " . When I got , the lock up was sooo loose that I refused to shoot it . Didn't have much luck with the seller either then, so I sent it back to the factory . For $189+shipping , it was fixed . I have shot it quite a bit and will never sell it . I have a buddy that sent one to Bowen Hamilton several years ago and had it converted to 45 LC . Real sweet shooting gun . But I will keep mine in 41 magnum .
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If I could only have one gun, make it a Forty One ! It can be loaded down to about like a 38 spl , yet loaded up to about equal a 44 mag . The heaviest cast bullet I shoot is 240 gr swc . It is increditably accurate with a max charge IMR 4227 and a mag primer . My std is the 220 gr " Keith " , #258 H&G . I have also found great flavor with Veral Smiths 210 gr LFN design .
Am I the only one that has noticed that despite Alliants warning about not using Blue Dot powder in any 41 mag loads , In the latest Speer Manual #14 , they have a 41 mag load using Blue Dot powder . Funny thing since they are both owned by the same parent company . Guess one doesn't talk to the other .
It is the exact load I use on a regular basis . I worked up that load yrs ago , with my LFN cast bullet it shoots like a laser . I put Magna PC grips on my 58 .
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Sell the Cokes? I am thankful I don't need to sell anything. I like to collect the guns and maybe trade but, it is fun to buy and speculate what they might be worth down the road. I don't ever pray for anything more than to wake up tomorrow with what I have today. The cokes add more wow factor and I am proud to own it.
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If I could only have one gun, make it a Forty One ! It can be loaded down to about like a 38 spl , yet loaded up to about equal a 44 mag . The heaviest cast bullet I shoot is 240 gr swc . It is increditably accurate with a max charge IMR 4227 and a mag primer . My std is the 220 gr " Keith " , #258 H&G . I have also found great flavor with Veral Smiths 210 gr LFN design .
Am I the only one that has noticed that despite Alliants warning about not using Blue Dot powder in any 41 mag loads , In the latest Speer Manual #14 , they have a 41 mag load using Blue Dot powder . Funny thing since they are both owned by the same parent company . Guess one doesn't talk to the other .
It is the exact load I use on a regular basis . I worked up that load yrs ago , with my LFN cast bullet it shoots like a laser . I put Magna PC grips on my 58 .
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There was nothing wrong with using Blue Dot in .41 Magnums... The problem was there were some published loads that were way too hot... Same with the 125 grain loads for the .357 Magnum.
A year ago I noticed some of the .41 information on LoadData.com had Blue Dot loads and asked them about it... They said this was all new data which was safe to use...
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You know there is nothing wrong with good old Unique, 2400, & even Bullseye for light loads. These three will still get most six-gun jobs done & done quite well. My Cousin really likes 700X for medium loads & I suspect if someone worked with it Red Dot would work well for medium loads too.
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I've debated selling this...for the right price...but better judgement always wins out.
And as far as on duty carry, I would love it if I had the option to swap out my M&P45 for my 58!
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Wow nice. I hope better judgement always wins out. That is a fantastic six-gun & a great carry gun too. They are also classy off the chart!
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Advice from my dad, " Son don't ever sell a gun you like , you'll regret it . "
The old man was right and you know you will regret selling that fine model 58 about 5 minutes after cashing the check !
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The two times I went to Alaska I carried my M58 with a Ranch Dog TL411-255 RF which weighs 269 gr straight wheel weights. 19 grs of H110/W296 was my load gave over 1600 fps from my Marlin. Don't remember what they clocked out of the 4". For the black bears in NC I still carry that load in my Marlin but use a bit lighter load using Unique with the same bullet.
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Thanks Combat_Diver, sounds like you were well covered.
I sure like the looks of those 240+gr WFP GC bullets. I'd like a GC mold.
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I just brought home my new Henry Big Boy 41 Mag lever action to go with my beat up model 58 and 100 41 Spl brass from Starline, I am a happy camper. Will step out back to try em with real 41 mags in the next couple of days.
As far as the Model 58, I have never seen a Model of gun looks so worn so fast in all my days. Maybe it is cause they get shot a lot?
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The Henry is a damned sweet shooter and functions with both the 41 SPL and 41 Mag
I bought a 100 Starline 41 Spl brass and tried it the both the Henry and and the Model 58.
I came back in the house after test a few and promptly ordered another 100 brass!!!
Hard hitting pleasant round - worth reloading- I think I am going to be going through a lot of these.
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Bear defense load for the 58....most anything will do, especially the original 210 grain Remington Soft Point...that is one penetrating round.
For a little less kick and more control I've settled on a MeHic 220 grain Keith mold that puts out a 226 grain solid plus 214+- grain HPs and PentaPoints. Using Unique:
8.0: 950 fps
9.0: 1100 fps
10.0: 1180 fps from a 4" barrel.
The nose of the HP blows off instead of expanding and then the shank of the bullet keeps on going...
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Cuts a very round deep hole..
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...my new .41mag from LGS in Oct. 1979---still new {never fired, except by S&W}.
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Nice looking guns thanks for sharing.
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...my new .41mag from LGS in Oct. 1979---still new {never fired, except by S&W}.
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Another good bullet is the Accurate Molds 41-215V...it has a .38 meplate..****ns the same velocity as the Keith with the same amounts of powder....
Cuts a very round deep hole..
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Wow SuperMan, I like the looks of that WFP, it'd make a great hunting bullet.
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I liked it so much I had Accurate make a 250 grain version... Shot it at 100 yards just to see if it was stable and it was both accurate and cut nice round holes...
41-215V is pictured above and the one I had them make is the 41-250F...
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I liked it so much I had Accurate make a 250 grain version... Shot it at 100 yards just to see if it was stable and it was both accurate and cut nice round holes...
41-215V is pictured above and the one I had them make is the 41-250F...
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I have looked at those Accurate molds they sure look good. What material did you have yours made of, I'd love one in say 240grs with a gas check for the .41.
Thanks.
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I'm glad I stumbled across this forum a few years ago, I thoroughly enjoy the sight, the info and the members who are helpful with info. I'd like to be considered for the "Unofficial 58 Club" after purchasing my first model 58. She's not here just yet and I'm already looking and planning for my first one in blue. You could say "I've got the fever and the only cure is..."
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