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Old 04-07-2011, 10:23 AM
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I was in DJs gunshop in Bothel WA just wandering around and minding my business, and this 10-6 in .357MAG just come up and slapped me in the face. Not the prettiest, but perfect working order, and SMOOTH.
Stole is fair-and-square for a very nice price. Pics to follow after I shoot it tomorrow.
Beside myself happy about this purchase. I wanted a 13-2, but this fits the bill, maybe even better!

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VERY nice catch! Congrats! You stole that one for sure! Regards 18DAI.
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A nice find indeed! Look forward to seeing the pic's.
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Congratulations on the purchase
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Great buy on a desired revolver. I would like to find one myself to go along with my 13-2 4 inch.
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you can't do this to us....where are the pics?!?!?


All kidding aside, that is a great deal on a not-so-often seen model 10 in 357 mag...


seriously though....where are the pics?
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:18 PM
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Congrats...my son in law gave me one of those. It is great. It is in a small safe beside my desk for easy access.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:19 PM
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I am on duty today on my ship. I will get off in the AM and go and take some shots of it. I don't care for the grips much, as they are Uncle Mike's finger groove plastic, but they ARE very comfortable and point naturally, but I will be putting hardwood on this piece ASAP.
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Congrats, I bought mine many years ago for $275, I didn't think I did so well at the time, but I like it alot now.

I don't know why S&W didn't put that .400 wide smooth trigger on all their K frames, I like it much better for shooting da than my 13-1
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Old 04-10-2011, 12:11 PM
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Stacked every round into one hole with 158 grain +p loads at 15 yards. Still the smoothest revolver I have ever fired.
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Gotta love the K-frame magnum. Everything you need, nothing you don't.
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+1 on the K-magnum ! My travelling companion for the last 20+ yrs has been a Model 13-2. I was prompted to buy it because of buying a 10-6 .357 in a numbered S&W "USED" box as a collectible. I was shooting a Combat Masterpiece at the time, and the 10-6 changed my preference instantly ! I went out & bought a new M13 and put the 10-6 in the safe.
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Well I learned something today.
Thank you for the eye opener. I never herd of a M 10 in .357 before and actually believed it.
I always assumed the model or cal. was incorrect.
Just goes to show you we are never too old to learn.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:16 AM
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Sure. I didn't keep that one, but I liked it. I prefer the 10 in tapered barrel, and my magnums with adjustable sights, so off it went to another guy, but it's really a cool gun.
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Well I learned something today.
Thank you for the eye opener. I never herd of a M 10 in .357 before and actually believed it.
I always assumed the model or cal. was incorrect.
Just goes to show you we are never too old to learn.
Thanks for posting the photo.
I'm with you!! I never heard of a 357 Model 10 until I clicked on this thread. Until reading your post and link I assumed somebody had dangerously reamed out the cylinder.
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Be advised that there are more than a few model 10's out there that have been converted to 357 by shadetree gunsmiths.

The real/factory chambered for 357 model 10's are all 10-6's in the "D" serial range. They are stamped 357 Magnum on the right side of the barrel. Search my posts for snippets from my Jinks letter on my 10-6 357 for more details.

Locally I've come across two shadetree model 10 357's in the last several years. Both were refinished in a matt blue and both of them were for sale at the Greensboro Gander Mountain. I brought it to the attention of the guy working there. I don't know whether he removed them from the sale counter or not. Caveat Emptor! Regards 18DAI
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(Banging head on table)

****.....and I saw one advertised in my local paper a couple of months ago...I thought it was a misprint or someone who didn't know the difference....**** **** ****.

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A quick tell: the real 10's in .357 came with .400 wide smooth triggers.
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Old 11-17-2011, 05:56 PM
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Yes. I verified this one as fully as I could without lettering, and there was no question in my mind as to its authenticity. However, I am a shooter, and I don't really care about it's collector value. Someone else certainly did, and I was paid handsomely for it.
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Well I learned something today.
Thank you for the eye opener. I never herd of a M 10 in .357 before and actually believed it.
I always assumed the model or cal. was incorrect.
Just goes to show you we are never too old to learn.
Thanks for posting the photo.
I'll have to second that. I thought they were worked. Whats the story behind the upgrade to magnum?
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They are actually "Pre 13" guns. Many of the earlier 13s were overstamped 10s.
It was S&W working out the fixed-sight k-frame magnum.
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thanks man. Learn something every day. I have let one of these slip out of my hands!!!
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We need that photo-intel, most riki-tik!
edit to add: I just saw it - with some tree wood stocks, that's gonna be "four-Oh!" Very nice blue.

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Okay, I need to know something: When I hold my 10-6 up next to say a Model 19, you can barely tell they are any different. But I have heard that the frames on the Magnums were hardened or something? I just wondered if that was true or if any heavy barrel Model 10 could become a Magnum merely by having a cylinder swap (or boring, I suppose) done. Think safety first, of course. Not that I'm going to do anything like this, I just wondered is all.

My favorite S&W oddity is the 581 and 681--Distinguished Service Magnums, the flat-top version of the more familiar adjustable sight models.
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Never knew that S&W put out model 10s in .357, thought any fixed sight, blued .357 were 13s. Interesting.

As for boring out the cylinder of their model 10s to .357, I knew of a few guys who did it in the NYPD. I wouldn't do it or suggest anyone do it, but can't help but wonder if there is any real difference between a modern model 10 and a model 19 cylinder in regard their ability to handle the .357.

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I doubt it. I am in the middle of having a new model 21 re-cut for magnum. I'll let you know the results. (I always wanted a case-colored, fixed-sight, .44 magnum N-frame)
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The factory 10-6 357's were heat treated like the K-frame magnums they were.

A shade tree 10-6.....or any model 10, bored out to 357 is still a 38, as far as the heat treating of the metal goes. I won't run 357's through one of those, whether or not they "might hold up to it".

FWIW my Jinks letter conflicts with the SCSW. SCSW states there were "several thousand" 10-6 357's made.

Mr Jinks says there were 1200 for the NYSP and ".... a total of approximately 3000 10-6 357's made...." "....some were returned to the factory and overstamped 13-1...."

So anyones guess how many original 10-6 357's, stamped as such, remain out there. Mine is D5579XX and letters as one of the 1200. Regards 18DAI
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So freaking jealous. Amazing find!!

Now I gots to get me one!
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There was one for sale here on the forum yesterday. VERY good price (underpriced).
Looks like it's gone.
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I was in DJs gunshop in Bothel WA just wandering around and minding my business, and this 10-6 in .357MAG just come up and slapped me in the face. Not the prettiest, but perfect working order, and SMOOTH.
Stole is fair-and-square for a very nice price. Pics to follow after I shoot it tomorrow.
Beside myself happy about this purchase. I wanted a 13-2, but this fits the bill, maybe even better!
I never knew that the model 10 came in 357 magnum. Neat find.
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Well I learned something today.
Thank you for the eye opener. I never herd of a M 10 in .357 before and actually believed it.
I always assumed the model or cal. was incorrect.
Just goes to show you we are never too old to learn.
Thanks for posting the photo.

We need to get a better Victory Model to put on that Wiki link.....c'mon now, someone here can do better than that
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Here is mine. I think I've posted it before. Came in a box that has the same serial number as the revolver, is stamed USED in big red letters and the box is marked as a 13-2, the pistol is marked 10-6. I was pretty thrilled to get it. I agree that the smooth trigger is the best one going.
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It is interesting to me that every true 10-6 357 I see has the exact same....or VERY similar wear on the right side of the barrel as visible in Professor Frinks photo. Mine has almost the identical wear on the right side of its barrel.

I wonder what type of holsters they were using to cause that particular wear pattern? Regards 18DAI
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Not exactly an answer per se, but just for the record, S&W USED to be a major player in the L.E. & Military procurement circles, & as such produced many different configurations for many different agencies. IIRC, the old 357 Mag. M-65's w/ 4" H.B. were produced at the behest of the Oklahoma Highway Patrol / or State Police, can't recall which at the moment. [ IIRC, initially originated from the .38 Spl. M10 / 64 series. ] They ( S&W ) would pretty much make any configuration the purchaser wished if They order enough to make it financially worthwhile. I recall back in the late 1970's & 1980's when I was actively buying whatever I could afford. Remember, prior to the big 'auto pistol', then 'wonder 9' craze, the revolver was king ! Perhaps someday Roy Jinks will talk S&W management to load all their production data onto CD's for us to drool over.

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Great find! I have heard about these for years but I have never come across one.
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Just when I thought I knew all the versions of revolvers, up pops this 10-6 thing. Who woulda known? Great info.
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I like your Craig Spegel designed, Butler Creek made, Uncle Mike
distributed black rubber combat stocks. I have them on my 67 no dash.

Here 2nd from left is my 10-6, but it's not .357
The snub is a 10-5
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Default Great resurrected thread!

I went through it quickly to make sure I didn't post in it before. Looks like I did not.

Five years ago a similar discussion came up on this Forum. I was very surprised to learn of a Model 10 .357 Magnum. While we were discussing this unusual model I noted that I'd love to have one. Another Forum member told me that one was available on one auction site or another. I looked and sure enough, there it was!

I have taken the Texas license to carry test a number of times for renewal purposes and while I was a CHL instructor. Offhand I recall using the following guns:

Ruger P-89
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6" Model 586

and the very last time I used this Model 10 in .357 Magnum. My previous high score was 248 and my lowest score was 246 out of 250. The Model 10 in .357 Magnum was the last test that I took and the only test where I scored 250 out of 250.

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Okay, I need to know something: When I hold my 10-6 up next to say a Model 19, you can barely tell they are any different. But I have heard that the frames on the Magnums were hardened or something? I just wondered if that was true or if any heavy barrel Model 10 could become a Magnum merely by having a cylinder swap (or boring, I suppose) done. Think safety first, of course. Not that I'm going to do anything like this, I just wondered is all.

My favorite S&W oddity is the 581 and 681--Distinguished Service Magnums, the flat-top version of the more familiar adjustable sight models.

You can't tell that Model 19 has an enclosed extractor rod and adjustable sights?!
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I was in DJs gunshop in Bothel WA just wandering around and minding my business, and this 10-6 in .357MAG just come up and slapped me in the face. Not the prettiest, but perfect working order, and SMOOTH.
Stole is fair-and-square for a very nice price. Pics to follow after I shoot it tomorrow.
Beside myself happy about this purchase. I wanted a 13-2, but this fits the bill, maybe even better!
Man, I had to look at that twice. I thought you were in Brothel Washington. I was getting ready to call my travel agent. Anyway, nice score!
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You can't tell that Model 19 has an enclosed extractor rod and adjustable sights?!
I take what he said to mean he can't see much difference in the frame that would warrant a problem with a model 10 frame standing up or not to .357 rounds. If the pre 13 barrels were the same profile as any other 10... what would it matter if a someone reamed out a heavy barrel 10 for .357?

That's what I think he was getting at and it's not a bad question IMHO. What is different about the pre 10 .357 or 13's than a heavy barrel 10? I think is the crux of the matter. Is it metallurgy or size of something? If there is no size difference and no metallurgy changes, then why not ream a 10 to .357 if someone was so led to want that.

I'm not saying I want to do that but I think it's a fair question.

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Neet that this thread is alive again. I bought that gun eight years ago and wow time has flown!
It was a great gun. I have others that fill the niche now, and many more S&Ws since then.
The fellow that bought it from me was active on the forum and I am a little surprised he hasnt hit this thread.
Anyhow, they are cool. If I see another maybe I would buy it, but it seems that my tastes are a hair different now, and some other lucky person can enjoy it.
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If I'm not mistaken, weren't the .357 model 10s a thing they were doing for the NYS police? Sort of led to the model 13?
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If I'm not mistaken, weren't the .357 model 10s a thing they were doing for the NYS police? Sort of led to the model 13?
Yes. A special order from the NYSP. 1200 were made for them, plus an unknown number of overruns. After other departments, including the FBI, expressed interest, a new model - the Model 13-1 - was introduced. Some .357 Magnum Model 10-6 examples are overstruck in the yoke cut to read MOD 13-1.

BTW there was never a Model 13.
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I take what he said to mean he can't see much difference in the frame that would warrant a problem with a model 10 frame standing up or not to .357 rounds. If the pre 13 barrels were the same profile as any other 10... what would it matter if a someone reamed out a heavy barrel 10 for .357?

That's what I think he was getting at and it's not a bad question IMHO. What is different about the pre 10 .357 or 13's than a heavy barrel 10? I think is the crux of the matter. Is it metallurgy or size of something? If there is no size difference and no metallurgy changes, then why not ream a 10 to .357 if someone was so led to want that.

I'm not saying I want to do that but I think it's a fair question.
S&W has always claimed to use both a special steel with more chrome and nickle content and a different heat treat for Magnum guns. They said that much of the added cost of a Magnum was in that special steel.

Some have bored out .38-44 guns to take .357 loads, but there's a lot more steel in the thick chambers of those guns. I haven't heard of any turning into a hand grenade, but I wouldn't do that. And today , it ruins a valuable collectors' gun.

In the thinner chambers of a Model 10, such a thing might lead to a cracked cylinder or worse.

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Yes. A special order from the NYSP. 1200 were made for them, plus an unknown number of overruns. After other departments, including the FBI, expressed interest, a new model - the Model 13-1 - was introduced. Some .357 Magnum Model 10-6 examples are overstruck in the yoke cut to read MOD 13-1.
Yeppers. Mine is one of those...
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From Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson (Second Edition) Pg. 128

"In 1972 several thousand were chambered in .357 magnum for the
N.Y.S.P. with 4" heavy barrel with pinned barrel. Predecessor to the
model 13..."
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Roy Jinks has stated numerous times that the heat treatment of the Magnum revolvers was different from non-Magnums.
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Roy Jinks has stated numerous times that the heat treatment of the Magnum revolvers was different from non-Magnums.
Has it been confirmed that the steel is different as well? One member mentioned that the magnum cylinder use a higher chromium and nickel content, which makes sense if they're looking for a stronger cylinder. This also confirms the need for a different heat treat.

If its the same steel as the .38 Specials, then it wouldn't make sense to run two separate caliber specific heat treatments. Just batch treat them all to the same point and move on.

If anyone has specific information on the steels used in these cylinders, please let me know.

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