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Recessed cylinders vs. non-recessed cylinders and the use of speed loaders?
I was wondering if anyone found they have had more problems with recessed cylinders vs. no recessed when using speed loaders.
Issues like not having the bullets lie flush in the recess due to crude build-up, etc? Or find it harder for extraction?
This just seems like it would be the case during a shooting session where speed loaders would be used in a non-recessed gun.
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I prefer non-recesssed cylinders with the cylinders chamfered for a faster reload. Also makes an easier clean up of the cylinder afterwards. JMO
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My experience is that you need some filthy ammo, a whole bunch of shooting, and something besides my HKS #10's in order to have a raw day. My 19-4 hasn't cared and neither has my non recessed cylinder guns. I have most of my range fun with alox lubed lead bullets pushed with HP-38 or Win 231. I also used to use a lot of Bullseye. It took me far to many attempts at figuring how much alox to use or how much to thin it. I had smokey dirty alox smut build up blackening all over my hands and the guns. And I still had dirty gun fun until it was empty cases in the box and time to clean up and head home for more reloading...
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If you are using speedloaders all the time then the non-recessed cylinder would be the better choice - easier to clean. I either case chamfering the edge of the chambers will improve feeding.
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I have never had any problems using speedloaders and recessed S&W revolvers.
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I always thought that the recessed chambers were a little like chamfering and helped me with speed loaders, but I was never fast enough that it probably made any difference one way or the other.
Enough crud around the chamber edge will be problematic regardless whether the cylinder is counterbored or not. Them case rims gotta lay flat.
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I used a standard pre 27 for PPC for several years, using .38 special wadcutters, with different speedloaders, until the Safariland Comp l style was introduced. There after, only used the Safariland. Never had any issues, although I probably never fired more than 500 rounds between cleaning. Always brushed the recessed chambers well though. PPC does not require the speed of reload that the newer games do though. No doubt that the chamfered non recessed with round nose bullets will be faster and smoother than wadcutters and recessed chambers.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximumbob54
My experience is that you need some filthy ammo, a whole bunch of shooting, and something besides my HKS #10's in order to have a raw day. My 19-4 hasn't cared and neither has my non recessed cylinder guns. I have most of my range fun with alox lubed lead bullets pushed with HP-38 or Win 231. I also used to use a lot of Bullseye. It took me far to many attempts at figuring how much alox to use or how much to thin it. I had smokey dirty alox smut build up blackening all over my hands and the guns. And I still had dirty gun fun until it was empty cases in the box and time to clean up and head home for more reloading...
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Now that sounds like a good day!
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I own both types and never gave much thought to it, so I can honestly say to me, there's not a whole lot of difference - other than the "cool factor" of the recessed ones of course.
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I have trouble using speed loaders in recessed cylinders. The rounds always want to hang up on the rims of the charge holes.
Thats why I don't use any P&R guns for competition. I prefer a non recessed cylinder with chamfered charge holes. Only one of my carry guns is P&R - my 2.5" 19-4. It shots like a laser though, so I don't anticipate needing to reload it.
My 3" 13-3 and 3" 66-4 are both set up with chamfered non recessed cylinders. Regards 18DAI
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I don't recall seeing any successful IDPA or USPSA revolver shooter running one with recessed cylinders. All the state, national and world champ competitors stay with the non-recessed ones. It's easy enough to do, in both new and pre-owned guns.
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Having shot revolveres in PPC and IPSC, and carrying them as Duty guns, I think that nonrecessed cylinders are easier to load using speed loaders.
Also as rough duty use revolvers I think non recesed cylinders increase reliability.
Also, I will add, that I think a 44 Mag/Special S&W is quicker to load than a 38/357 S&W.
And the fastest to load of all revolvers is the 45 ACP with full moon clips.
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