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Looking for a .44 to pack.
I have a few revolvers but I really don't know a lot about S&W models. I have a 19-6 that I really like and I'm looking for a .44 now. I've decided to sell my .45 Sig and go with a revolver. I just purchased the 3rd addition of the Standard Catalog and I'm slowly coming up to speed so bare with me here.
I don't need anything to conceal as I aready have a 2" J frame 38. I want something to carry in the back country when I hike and camp. I also like to target shoot. It doesn't need to be a mag and a 3-4" barrel would be prefered. Eventually I will reload all of my ammo. I'm already reloading for trap so pistol won't be a problem.
My question to those who own and shoot .44's. Can the .44 mag be tamed by loading it lighter than factory ammo? I ask this because there seems to be more mags around than anything else but I just don't need that kind of horse power. I'm considering a 44 special but the models don't seem to be as common. What should I be looking for here in the used market in the 500-750 range?
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Congratulations on your quest for a revolver of the proper caliber.. ;-). The .44 Magnum is my favorite handgun caliber. I carry a S&W 29 with a 4 inch. Barrel concealed on a daily basis. The cool thing about the magnum pistol Vs the Special chambering is the ability to shoot either loading. Handloading really brings out the possibilities of this caliber. You can load them light for plinking or hot for serious work. My advise to you would cruise the pawn shops until you find a good used 29-2 or 29-3 with a 4inch barrel. If you want to go new than the new 29-10 is a fine shooting pistol. You could even find a good 629 for a fair price as well.
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For the back country I would go with a 629 (stainless) in whatever version floats your boat. If you dont want to use full house magnums, either download some .44 mags or shoot .44 specials. Lots of versatility that way.
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Very good advice already given above.
I also carry the S&W .44 Magum model 29-2 in the 6 1/2" barrel.
Other options to consider in the S&W .44 Magnum lines are the model 629 Mountain Gun introduced in 1993 with a 4" barrel and model 629 Backpacker introduced in 1994 with a 3" barrel.
Other good gun for carry thats not a .44 Magnum is the S&W .41 Magmum model 57 origionally introduced in 1964 with 4" barrel but also models 57-1 1982, 57-2 1988, 57-3 1990 and 57-4 1993.
The .41 Magnum has good knock down power but less recoil than the .44 Magnum.
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Packin' .44s...
I suggest that you look around for a 4" 29-3. These are not pinned and recessed, but are fine guns nonetheless. Collectors look down their noses at them and they bring less money because of that fact, yet they still have most all the classic features of the earlier 29's. I own 29's & 629's from all eras between 1956-2000 and THIS 29-3 is the best shooter in the stable.
I bought it from a Bowhunter pal of mine, who had already broken it in... paid less than $400.
With the smaller "Magna" style stocks the bulk is considerably reduced, improving the guns portability, but you pay a price in shootablility as the larger stocks help most shooters manage recoil better. Many fellas mount rubber stocks on their sidearms during times of rough usage, me included.
Stainless steel is nice, but it will add to the cost of your Smith .44. I have found two things about Stainless Steel and firearms.... First it's "Stain-LESS", not "Stain-PROOF" and will still rust if neglected for long periods. Second I don't really need it. A little wear on my work guns is okay with me.
With regard to lower powered loads, the .44 Magnum is very flexible and lends itself well to this idea. This is one of my packin' .44's a Model 58 converted to .44 Magnum. The load is 7.8 grains of Unique and a Tennessee Valley Bullet Company 243 grain Cast Lead round Nosed Flat Point. Very Mild to shoot and pretty accurate here shown at 20 paces. I would guess that the velocity is something like 900 fps or so...
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^ this is a great revolver. I love the fixed sight n-frame for packing. Great choice.
As for 29s, I find that carrying the mountain gun version of the 629 was just fine, but I really, REALLY like the "bounty hunter" which is a 29-10 in 3" full underlug trim. Nice packing piece, but exactly the same weight as the 629MG. Food for thought.
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I have the 629-3 in a Classic 5", my favorite barrel length, and a 629-3 in 4". Both have the endurance package and carry well. I do have to admit the 4" does carry better.
I handload for all my guns and the 44 mag is the most versitile cart. I have loaded for in a handgun. I carry top end loads for woods and a unique load for fun. I do not like recoil. The 44 mag is where I quit with handguns and go to a slug gun for woods protection if I feel I need more.
I like the stainless because the finish.
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.... but I really, REALLY like the "bounty hunter" which is a 29-10 in 3" full underlug trim.
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Squidsix, I guess if I want to go "Bounty Hunting" my 58-44 will do just fine...
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If the 44 Magnum is more than you need/want and you can find a deal on one, a 696 would make an awesome companion. Small enough to pack easily, mild-mannered, yet will still handle stout Special loads if you want to make it bellow and roar a bit. Shown here with my DAO 65-5, it shows what a sucker I am for three-inch barrels. Oh well!
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If you don't mind the IL, here's another good choice.
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I'd get one of these
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I second the 696 recommendation. 6 oz lighter than comparable 44, and you say you don't need the mag power. 6 oz hiking around in the back country can get to be a load. You may have to go $800 or so for the 696.
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Confused enough yet? As you can see everyone has preferences and they all fit their needs and intended usage -- but not necessarily yours.
It would be easy to make choices if S&W only made about 10 handguns. When we find that there are hundreds if not thousands of revolver variations available in different calibers, frames, barrel lengths, finishes we quickly learn others can't make the final decision for us.
Like many others here I have a large collection of pre 1980's S&W's in all the frames and finishes. Lots of choices and opportunities to shoot many variations through the years. I currently am shooting 7 different guns in several calibers. From what you describe as your wants and needs, one, IMHO, would ideally fit with the compromises you'd need to accept to make a difficult decision.
1. A 44 Mag/Special is the most versatile and adaptable caliber ranging from light to heavy magnum loads. The 41 Mag is my favorite caliber but if you don't hand-load factory ammo can be very difficult to find and expensive when you do.
2. I'd opt for a 5" barrel length both for better sight radius and balance. The additional barrel length also helps diminish muzzle blast, flip and perceived recoil. Some "Classic" models have quick change varied color front sight blades to adapt the sight picture to different light conditions.
3. An option not often considered for a back woods trail gun is a laser sight. I'd place a Crimson Trace Laser on any gun I chose. The extremely low or non-existent light conditions at night are where you would most likely be confronted by dangerous critters. Accurate shot placement in those conditions could be difficult but crucial. The grips located placement of the laser keeps your regular open sights available should you choose them.
4. If I were choosing a frequent shooter handgun and a "work horse" I'd probably surprise some people by selectinging a new gun rather than an older model. The S&W lifetime warranty is a good one and should you ever have a problem requiring repair they even pay the freight both ways...something to consider for a gun you'll want to practice with frequently.
I'd suggest a current production Mod. 629-6 5" "Classic" with the front sight blade color package option and equip it with a Crimson Trace Laser. You should be able to have all the items mentioned at close to your budget.
Good luck and welcome to the never ending search for the non-existent perfect handgun.....
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Very good advice already given above.
I also carry the S&W .44 Magum model 29-2 in the 6 1/2" barrel.
Other options to consider in the S&W .44 Magnum lines are the model 629 Mountain Gun introduced in 1993 with a 4" barrel and model 629 Backpacker introduced in 1994 with a 3" barrel.
Other good gun for carry thats not a .44 Magnum is the S&W .41 Magmum model 57 origionally introduced in 1964 with 4" barrel but also models 57-1 1982, 57-2 1988, 57-3 1990 and 57-4 1993.
The .41 Magnum has good knock down power but less recoil than the .44 Magnum.
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Excellent advice Ernie! Had 3 .44 mags and now have 4 .41 mags. Little easier on the hand, shoot flat and has great knockdown power with the right load. Easily a 100+ yd deer gun with a scope and 50+ without. I've taken 44 deer with my .41 mag and 3 years ago with the .44. Deer did not know the difference. Reloading is the way to go with both rounds, and I'll second going stainless for an outdoor weapon. JMO
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Yup! There has been all types of .44 specials with different features that have been made that can be recomended. The problem is finding one before we even talk price!
I have been lucky as I nailed most of mine 40 years ago. Like I said in my last post, the best gun for the money that is easily available has to be that ruger flat top I showed. I see I paid $450 for it last year while they were listed at $575s. They are available and at sane prices. Not only that, they are everything good. Very strong, all reports are they are very accurate, have adjustable sights and well made. Sure I like my colt saa`s, triplelock, 1950 target and 24-3. I wouldnt pay the going $1,200s apiece for them today though. The ruger is the very best sane priced, available gun out there today, and as you can see, I have most of em.
Sorry, I am aware this is a smith & wesson site.
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For reloading, you can make up .44 special-type loads in .44 Magnum brass. The longer brass makes the revolver easier to clean, and you have the advantage of shooting with a lower-recoil load.
I also load for shotgun, but metallic cartridge reloading is a different beast altogether. My MEC 9000 will load just about any hull that isn't worn out. You won't have that luxury with metallic. Tolerances are much tighter, and you can screw up much easier if you're not paying close attention to the job at hand. However, you can reload much less expensively, and you can generally get better accuracy from your own efforts.
When you get into centerfire reloading, there are lots of books and equipment from which to choose. One idea would be to get the RCBS Rock Chucker press which comes solo, or in a kit. The kit contains everything you need to get started, except for the dies. Add brass, powder, primers, and bullets, and you're set to go.
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I have a 3'' model 24-6 44 spl that I shoot a load of 14.0 gr of 2400 with a 240 gr. bullit. The chrony reads a honest 800 fps! its a hand full,drop it in your pocket and your ready for anything!!!
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I love carrying my 4" M-29-2 when quail hunting. It was there for security for my boss and her friends, but if a bird decided to light in a tree and would not come down the CCI 44 shot shell usually inspired them to cooperate. Not exactly sporting, but it would be one more for the grill. I sometimes carried the Ruger Super Blackhawk, but I prefer the more natural feel of the Smith.
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Favorite "packing" .44's:
629-4 "MG":
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Not a .44, but mod 58:
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Shown here with my DAO 65-5, it shows what a sucker I am for three-inch barrels.
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I like what you've done with the front sight on your 65-5. Can you provide more information/details?
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I have a few .44's in mag and spl and they are my favorites to shoot. But I have no use for a full magnum load. Since I've owned y .44 mags none of them has ever seen a magnum load.
For general shooting I like a 250 gr LSWC at about 950 fps. For heavy use I use the same bullet with 15.0 gr of 2400 at about 1050 fps. I've never seen the use for anything stronger.
The Spl factory ammo is too anemic but I prefer to keep the power somewhere between the Spl and mag.
I have one 29-2, my last blue mag, a 629-1 and a Mtn Gun 29-8. The mag revolver is more versatile then the Spl. It can fire light loads or heavy if need be. These are all good guns even the 29-8.
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I have managed to keep in your specified price range several ways: a gently experienced 21-4, a heavily reblued .44 Hand Ejector, a Taurus 431(a 3 inch 5 shooter) and of course the Charter Bulldog.
I don't see these 3 and 4 inch beauties jmping on your hip at pedestrian prices????????????
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I've tried all the above mentioned guns and setted on a 629-6 Mountain Gun....a 5" Classic would be a close second but I really love the round butt, slim barrel and the balance of the whole MG series better than anything else when it comes to a gun intended to be carried a lot in a belt holster.
Loads between 900-1200 fps are all that are really needed and the MG will handle these nicely...
The 629 MG I have doesn't get carried all that much as I am a .41 Shooter but when it does it gets stoked with Speer .44 Magnum 200 grain Gold Dot HP Short Barrel Loads. A DEEP 200 grain HP at 1080 fps from a 4" gun is just the ticket. It expands every time with very light recoil... And when I want penetration I have some 200 grain (no longer made) Berry's plated bullets loaded to the same velocity...
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Nice pics of some 3" .44's !
Besides the longer barrel .44 Mags, I also love the 3" barrels.
This one I also carry sometimes.
629-1 3"
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629-5- fixed sight - snub. This!
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Just get yourself a 629 Mountain Gun and be done with it !
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I'm one who would second the suggestion for a 44 Special. Nothing wrong with the magnum and you would certainly be well armed with one. I prefer the 44 Special, unless hunting. It is the reloaders dream caliber and can do most everything a magnum can do except the last three hundred feet per second. Except for a dangerous animal such as a grizz you just don't need that extra 3 hundred that is a bitch to control accurately. the most sensible choice would be the 44 Special.
There are other good calibers out there. A 4 inch 41 magnum would be another good choice.
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Add another vote for a .44 Spl.
When hiking I carry a transitional 4" Pre-21. It may be old and kind of worn but it feels so good on my belt. I would think one of the newer 21-4 Thunder Ranch versions would fill the bill perfectly.
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I usually carry one of three revolvers, a nickel 4" M29-3 with Ahrends retro-combat grips, a 629 Mountain Gun with Hogues, or my model 58. I use one of two Simply Rugged pancake holsters, or a Kramer IWB. A big-bore N-frame is certainly comforting when things go bad.
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I bought a 629-4 4" as the basis for a conversion. Since it was already dirty when it arrived, I decided to shoot it a bit before cleaning and shipping. I ran some shotshells through it just for grins, and about 20 of the .44 special gold dot blazers I have for my 296. It was sweet.
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I have a 629 Back Packer and it's one of my favorite guns. I had a second one too but traded it with a gentleman here for a 24 snub which I like as well.
One thing I learned about 3 inch N frames is they have a long enough sight plane and can shoot very well concidering the shorter barrel. They carry well in a proper holster and belt as well. I've carried them concealed with just a simple wind breaker as cover before.
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The 21-4 in 44 special. It's like a mountain gun with fixed sights. Excellent trigger and accurate.
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Add another vote for a .44 Spl.
When hiking I carry a transitional 4" Pre-21. It may be old and kind of worn but it feels so good on my belt. I would think one of the newer 21-4 Thunder Ranch versions would fill the bill perfectly.
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I do like 'em like that!
My Pre-War 44 Spl. 3rd Model
Su Amigo,
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I have managed to keep in your specified price range several ways: a gently experienced 21-4, a heavily reblued .44 Hand Ejector, a Taurus 431(a 3 inch 5 shooter) and of course the Charter Bulldog.
I don't see these 3 and 4 inch beauties jmping on your hip at pedestrian prices????????????
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At my local gun shop there are currently 3 S&W 44mags in the $500-750/range. 1) 3" 629 stainless for $599, 2) 4" 29 nickel for $599 and 3) 6" 629 stainless for $649. These are the prices on the tags and can be had for at least $50 less. Just keep looking around, you can find it.
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